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Old 11-21-2001, 06:56 AM
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decided to change the timing belt, probably easier to just take the motor out. Any advice from the experts?
So far I've learned....should have had a mechanic do it, the $200 savings is not worth it. Stick to my 5.0, much eaier to work on.
Old 11-21-2001, 07:30 AM
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yeah it is...I'm in the middle of mine right now..and can't get the F ing crankshaft pulley off
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Default Re: Timing belt, what a pain in the *** (daily_driver)

Once you get the crank bolt loose, it is cake work.

BTW quick tip from Honda Tech at local dealer,
DO NOT loosen the tensioner. Just slide the old one of, change the water pump, then slide the new timing belt on. Fairly easy with a stock cam gear.
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really? will that work on on the B16 too?
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Default Re: Timing belt, what a pain in the *** (daily_driver)

decided to change the timing belt, probably easier to just take the motor out. Any advice from the experts?
So far I've learned....should have had a mechanic do it, the $200 savings is not worth it. Stick to my 5.0, much eaier to work on.
honda timing belts are very easy to do. very straightfoward and simple. much easier than other makes, like mitsubishi or toyota. i just did the timing belt in my tacoma, a v6, and i had the whole front end off. grill, radiator, etc. it took me 2 1/2 hours to get to the belt and o2 pump. 20 min to change them, then another 2 1/2 to put it back together. hondas i can do inside an hour......
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Default Re: Timing belt, what a pain in the *** (DragIIcivic)

Almost at that step. What is the best way to lock up the engine so you can take the bolt off? Manual says drop flywheel inspection plate and wedge a screwdriver in there.
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airgun. if you don't have a compressor, i would try to find one of those electric impact guns.
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I am using a 500ftlbs husky impact wrench on it and that bootch aint moving.
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drag, air pressure up to at least 90psi? what about the adjustments on the gun? if not, a little oil in the gun helps also.
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yeah, I'm running 90psi on it.....I'll try adding some oil. through the bottom, or in the other port?
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Will a breaker bar work? How do you lock up the motor?
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bottom, where the air line is, not too much though. just a few drops. and make sure you run it for a few seconds and point it away from you, otherwise the oil will get all over whatever you are working on.
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Will a breaker bar work? How do you lock up the motor?
that's possible. but, it's risky. i admit, i did do it once about 9 years ago, on my civic. i didn't have air, or barely any other tools at my apartment, so i had a friend put it in 1st and hold the brakes while i used the breaker bar on the bolt. it worked, but i had to do a tranny on it 6 months later. coincidence? maybe....but i'm not gonna do that again.
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Thanks Rodney...got one more question....is the pulley splined so that the TDC mark will line right up when I reinstall it?

also, is it necisarry to have the #1 piston @ TDC on the compression strock when you do the timing belt?
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Thanks Rodney...got one more question....is the pulley splined so that the TDC mark will line right up when I reinstall it?

also, is it necisarry to have the #1 piston @ TDC on the compression strock when you do the timing belt?

there is a key in the pulley. it only goes on one way. simple. watch out for the washer under the lower cover, between the crank pulley and timing belt crank pulley. it is curved. make sure when you install it the curved side is facing outwards. otherwise, you will shred you timing belt in no tim. and you should have the motor on TDC for #1. if not, the cam might move a little when you pull the belt off. drag, you have aol im? if so, im me- b18c5rodney@aol
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I am using a 500ftlbs husky impact wrench on it and that bootch aint moving.
Oh great, you have another stuck nut!
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yeah... can you believe that crap!!!
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Run your compressor up to 140 PSI or at least 120
then you will be able to take it off
I had the same problem

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Also use Quick short blasts
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I've got the same gun...


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isn't that bad for the gun though?
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put some oil in it first...makes a world of difference.
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It should be fine..
most shops run 140+ psi (but they are also using higher quality Ingersall Rand air tools)
but your husky should deal with it fine
I don't recommend going much higher than 140 .. most non-commercial grade compressors can't handle that much pressure..

but your gun should handle it fine..

as for the oil... a few drops a day in the inlet
this is the most important part to air tool life
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yeah it is...I'm in the middle of mine right now..and can't get the F ing crankshaft pulley off
If you still can't take it off with the gun, ( I couldn't take mine off with
an electric impact gun ) just go to sears and get a chain wrench
(It'll be by the tools-maybe plumming??? and will have a bicycle-chain
connected to it if you don't know what it looks like) and put a rag over the
crankcase pulley. You <U>might</U> put little teeth marks into the pulley,
but it's nothing too too bad. Hey, worked for me and it's still fine
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I think I'm gonna be alright...I practiced on my SOHC, and got the bolt off...I'll go give it a shot on the B16 tommarrow.
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I am using a 500ftlbs husky impact wrench on it and that bootch aint moving.
Don't forget when u put that sucker back on, don't torque it as much. I use air to take mine off and breaker to put it back on.
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If you have a friend, put the trans in 5th and have then step on the brakes


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