Jamarquis

I'm doing a B16 swap into my del sol, so before I put the motor in I'm going to change the Timing belt while the motor is out, My question is: I've heard that the GSR water pumps are better then the standard B16 pumps, is this true, and if it is, what timing belt do I use with it?

Thanks For Your Time,
Joe

vc

99 civic si

I dont think it would matter, but bump for you so i can be informed too.

Jamarquis

I didn't think it mattered either, but I'm almost positive that the B18c1's water pump was better ( i think i read it somewhere ) but I wasn't sure if the B16's timing belt would fit running a B18's water pump. I guess thats what i'm trying to confirm. That I can use a B18's water pump with a B16's timing belt.

Thanks again
-Joe

vtakvtrak

just buy the toda! toda powah!

Jamarquis

I probibly will by a Toda or Power Enterprise, but I want the best "stock" water pump that I can get. If its from the B18C1 like i think it is I'm not sure if I need to use the B18's Timing Belt with a B18's water pump, because I know there's a difference in lenth between the B16 and the B18's timing belt. Something like 7cm now I don't know if that lenth difference is from a different size "pully" on the water pump

99 civic si

I would help you if I knew, bump for some answers.

BigJ5

The B16 water pump and the B18C pump have the exact same gear and impeller on it.

But if your going to do it anyway, here is your nfo...
GSR and Type-R (B18C)water pumps are all the same (22 tooth)
part # 19200-P72-013
B18A/B Has the same internal propeller but smaller gear (19 tooth)
part # 19200-P75-003
B16 has the same gear as the B18C (22 tooth)
part # 19200-P30-003 del sol vtec
part # 19200-P72-013 civic si (sir canada) <-does this number look familiar

B16/17 timing belt is the smallest b-series belt
The B18A/B has their own timing belt that is ~23 mm longer than the B16/17
B18C's have a slightly larger belt over the A/B's to compensate for the extra teeth on the water pump.

The reason for the change in gears is to change the efficiency range of the pump, since they operate within a certain rpm spec, the more teeth slow the pump down so you can safely rev your motor to 9k without overspinnig your pump and put it out of it's eff range.

bottom line, don't waste your time...

99 civic si

What he said^^

gritsak

maybe your thinking about the oil pump b16 vs b18c

Setsuna F Seiei

J-TODA-M! thought you knew that already?
by the way they do have the same # of teeth

FERIOkid

Listen to BigJ5 on this one, he seems to be the only certian one in this thread and i just learned something new!!!! haha

good luck with everything

Jamarquis

after you said it I realized I was thinking Oil and not Water, My bad. thanks to everyone for the help though...
-Joe

goforbroke

Don't buy some overpriced timing belt just buy a stock honda one and save some money.

racingfan

I'd just go with OEM honda Timing Belt save yourself some $$$

Qwik_XR

I agree.. TODA is nice, but pointless, unless you are making big power.. I mean, damn.. the stock belt will go for 60-70k easily.. hell, mine went 94k

Putting a TODA t-belt on a stock motor, is kinda like putting drag radials on a Civic Hybrid commuter car..

Jamarquis

So If I go with OEM, were would you recommend buying from...

Bcuz

Whatever water pump you use determines the belt.

jlacoy82

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jamarquis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So If I go with OEM, were would you recommend buying from... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Your local Honda dealership, or http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com

99 civic si

I put a OEM timing belt on my B16a2. My stock one ran for 101,000 miles. Also i am puitting about 200 to the ground, and it works fine..

giff74

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BigJ5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The B16 water pump and the B18C pump have the exact same gear and impeller on it.

But if your going to do it anyway, here is your nfo...
GSR and Type-R (B18C)water pumps are all the same (22 tooth)
part # 19200-P72-013
B18A/B Has the same internal propeller but smaller gear (19 tooth)
part # 19200-P75-003
B16 has the same gear as the B18C (22 tooth)
part # 19200-P30-003 del sol vtec
part # 19200-P72-013 civic si (sir canada) &lt;-does this number look familiar

B16/17 timing belt is the smallest b-series belt
The B18A/B has their own timing belt that is ~23 mm longer than the B16/17
B18C's have a slightly larger belt over the A/B's to compensate for the extra teeth on the water pump.

The reason for the change in gears is to change the efficiency range of the pump, since they operate within a certain rpm spec, the more teeth slow the pump down so you can safely rev your motor to 9k without overspinnig your pump and put it out of it's eff range.

bottom line, don't waste your time...</TD></TR></TABLE>

did you just have this info sitting around in your head????

Kusai.Nihonjin.Desu

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Qwik_XR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree.. TODA is nice, but pointless, unless you are making big power.. I mean, damn.. the stock belt will go for 60-70k easily.. hell, mine went 94k

Putting a TODA t-belt on a stock motor, is kinda like putting drag radials on a Civic Hybrid commuter car.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I dont know if it's pointless even for a near-stock motor. I recently read a Japanese article on HKS timing belts, and with their design it doesnt breakdown as easily. Im assuming Toda's design and materials are of higher quality than stock as well.
Either way, I wouldnt feel safe running on the same belt for high miles, regardless of the make.

Qwik_XR

I agree with you, Niho, and my point was near exactly as you stated.. Regardless of the belt, I wouldnt run either for high mileage... I actually changed mine this weekend, because I'd already been worrying about it too long
But from TODA's sight.. :
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TODA website &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">An important component that's often overlooked when building high power engines is the timing belt. A broken timing belt can result in bent valves, and in extreme cases, complete engine damage.

The TODA timing belt is 200% stronger than the stock timing belt and is designed to protect your engine and improve its performance and consistency. Engine performance is improved by eliminating belt stretch which occurs at high rpms, resulting in inconsistent cam timing and power output. Whether your engine is stock or heavily modified, the TODA High Power timing belt will protect your engine from belt failure. </TD></TR></TABLE>

At $180 for the TODA, and 35-40$ for a stock belt, which will hold up well, also, I personally can't see the point in paying 4-5 times the price, when installing it on a stock motor with bolt-on performance goodies..

edit: it does say "whether you engine is stock or highly modified", but that's probably more of a marketing ploy.. I'm not downing the belt, by any means, I just feel the application of a stock internalled, or NA setup, makes the $180 spent, somewhat of a moot point.

goforbroke

Its marketing gimmick. Do not buy a $180 timing belt for a stock motor. I can't remember the ht sponsor on here, but he was selling timing belt, water pump, and tension for around $180 shipped. You are better off getting that if you want to do maintenance on your toy. Hopefully you don't want it for the JDM factor......

Jamarquis

Definitely not for the JDM factor, its a fricken timeing belt....now JDM del sol Visors would be a God sent