kinkyintegra

I blew my b16 in my si so i bought a d16y5 to drop into my em1. I see that everything on this engine plugs right in with my harness except for this canister....i have no clue what plug goes into there. Someone please tell me....
Also will my b16 throttle body fit on this IM because this throttle body has a busted tps and i dont feel like switching it over and calibrating



Putting in engine soon so need to know

SOHC4life 96

You sure that's not a y8?

kinkyintegra

you know, the guy selling it said it was a y8, i thought it looked like one, but i looked at the stamp on the block and it says y5, ill go check and if its a y8 ill definetly change it, but any clue on this canister on the top left of the valve cover?

SOHC4life 96

Not a clue. My y8 doesn't have it.

HondaPartsHero

19548 014 1 VALVE SET, EGR

kinkyintegra

thats great, but what is an egr and will my harness plug into it?

Mr Hammond

Are you talking about the EGR Valve? That is a D16Y5. Came out of a Civic HX. Sorry, no other 96-00 civics have it. What ECU were you planning to use? If you do not use the HX ECU you are going to throw an EGR code and more then likely an O2 code as they use the uber expensive 5-wire primary O2 sensor.

kinkyintegra

well soon im getting the hx ecu, but what are you talking about a 5 wire? i mean mine came with all the o2 sensorsill go check now...i just checked and i have a 4 wire o2 sensor hooked up to my exhaust manifold..even so, lets say i wire the o2 sensors up and i have an hx ecu, how do i plug in that egr valve?

Luserkid

To make it easier on you swap out the y5 manifold for a y8 manifold. That way you keep your 2wire IAC and dont have to worry about the EGR valve. All youll need to do is pick up a y8 ecu and your good to go.

Mr Hammond

True that. Otherwise you would need to steal the connector from an HX wire harness. Are you running your stock O2 or did you get the O2 with the HX engine?

kinkyintegra

this o2 sensor came with the engine....so if i just get a plug and pin it, will the wires go straight to the ecu? does the ex manifold and ecu sound better?

tilt

If you use the HX ecu, you will need to use the HX wideband o2 sensor and HX intake manifold.

If you use a EX ecu you need a narrowband o2 and will need to rewire the o2 harness.
The EX ecu will not care about the egr, so you can leave it unplugged or swap out the manifold.

The EX ecu will not match well with the HX fuel maps and vtec xover, so really your best bet is to have a p28 chipped ecu and standalone management like crome/uberdata. If you take this route, you can also disable the o2 and just run in open loop and forget about the wiring.



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sicones

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a chipped p28 with crome is not standalone

btw that engine will never run correctly with a P2P EX ecu, you have get a P2N HX ECU

tilt

If you want to get technical then I would call it a modified factory ecu with edited eprom.


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sicones

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EEPROM

tilt

It can be either EEPROM or EPROM. One is eletronically erased, the other is ultraviolet light erased.

Bense

lots of misinformation here.

that is a d16y5, that thing is the egr. You cannot run it with a p2p ecu. you cannot run it with a p28.

hell, just about any honda ecu can run that engine. But unless the ecu makes the engine function like it's supposed to (or better).

run a p28 and you'll have to worry about the shitty 12btdc/16btdc timing issues.
run a p2p and you'll have improper maps because vtec-e != vtec

running a sohc vtec ecu doesn't engage the inactive intake valves until way higher in the rpms. the engine chokes until the inactive valves are engaged. then vtec hits and it sounds 'loud" because you choked the engine then gave it power all at once.


moral of the story. either run the p2n hx ecu. or get someone to custom tune it. Better hope you have a good tuner that underestands the vtec-e function.

sicones

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congratulations you know the difference, EPROMs are obsolete

NJcoupe

I have a 5 wire o2 sensor, and a P2N ecu for sale

tilt

Yep, just clarifying for you. And, people use EPROMs today so it's not obsolete.

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kinkyintegra

well i dont get it, then why do i have a 4 wire o2? all this seems like so much work, i should just try to sell this motor and get an ex or just buy an ex motor, this is too much **** to worry about...i can get an hx ecu no problem but then i have to pin a plug in for the egr valve and switch to a 5 wire o2? what ecu can i use that wont need me to hook up the egr, let me use my 4 wire o2 and just make the engine run, im not asking for it to run awesome...as long as its not going to blow

tilt

Some good info here:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1275659

TorturedSol

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Wait...Did you mean to a d16 or did you really have a b16 in the car?

Sell that y5 motor and get a d16y7/d16y8 or even a d-series DOHC ZC motor. The y5 is VTEC-E with 3 stage VTEC. You'll need a po7/8 ecu or figure out a way to run it with a p28. Also you'll have to deal with the o2 sensor as mentioned above.

Another route to go is make it a y5 block y8 head minime. Also add in the y8 intake manifold for a extra lil kick.

Just my $.02

kinkyintegra

ahh this is so annoying, i guess since i have the tranny and all that, ill just go find a y8 long block so i dont have to deal with all these problems and can just use an ex ecu and my 4 wire o2

suspendedHatch

There is some serious fucked up info in this thread.

"To make it easier on you swap out the y5 manifold for a y8 manifold"

If you really wanted to make it easier you would just block off the EGR with a piece of sheet metal and a gasket. The Y5 and Y8 IM are exactly the same except for the EGR ports.

"If you do not use the HX ECU you are going to throw an EGR code and more then likely an O2 code as they use the uber expensive 5-wire primary O2 sensor."

If he DOESN'T use the HX ECU, how is the HX ECU going to throw EGR and O2 sensor codes??!!

The only problem with the Y5 motor is engine management. If plugging in an HX ECU and running a few wires for an EGR and a few for an O2 sensor is hard for you, then I seriously question your ability to do anything at all. Another option is to get an AEM EMS.

"Better hope you have a good tuner that underestands the vtec-e function."

If your "tuner" can't be made to understand vtec-e in one or two sentences, I wouldn't trust them on the car. The vtec-e kicks in at 2300 RPM. Start there and just tune the car like you normally would. You could play around with the engagement point a little and try to squeeze out a few hp if the car has some modifications.

Just get a Y8 head. Nevermind that the Y8 and Y5 heads are the same part and only differ in valvetrains. Never mind that the Y5 is a superior design with roller rockers and the most potential of any D series engine. And nevermind that a Y5 with a Y8 tranny is faster than a Y8. Obviously speed is not a concern for you because you're downgrading from a B16.