Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5????
04-11-2004, 08:23 PM
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (Jflex)
well first off there is no USDM B18C....there only is a USDM B18C1 which is the GSR motor and the B18C5 which is the Type R...the B18C is a JDM Type R motor...hope this clears it up
04-11-2004, 08:26 PM
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what he said. also, if you speak of a bare JDM B18C block, there are no differences between the blocks. they have different internals, and the heads are obviously different (JDM SiR-G (GSR) is a P72 casting and Type-R is a PR3-x casting). any more trivia?? huh? huh?
04-11-2004, 08:27 PM
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (hair_rice)
Well both motors are stamped B18C if there JDM motors, but there was a thread comparing the 2 that was posted yesterday.
04-12-2004, 05:38 AM
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (Jflex)
so if the blocks are the same when completely bare...you could build a type R motor using a standard B18C block from the US, with R internals?...the mains arn't stronger or anything different at all?...
04-12-2004, 06:20 AM
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (hair_rice)
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04-12-2004, 07:27 AM
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (Jflex)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jflex »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so if the blocks are the same when completely bare...you could build a type R motor using a standard B18C block from the US, with R internals?...the mains arn't stronger or anything different at all?...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Did you miss the part where two or three people already stated there is no such thing as a B18C USDM block?
They are either B18C1 or B18C5 - B18C is the JDM block code for either their SiR-G (GS-R) or Type R.
Also sure you can build a GS-R block to be like a Type R block, but you'll spend more money doing so and you won't have that awesome O.E Honda build quality that keeps R engines lasting over 100K miles even after being beaten to ****.
I've broken it down a million times here, but it boils down to this:
B18C1 swap - $3,500.00 or so
B18C5 swap - $5,500.00 or so
Prices are market averages. Yes you can find some s-R swaps for under $3,500.00, but you can also find JDM R swaps for $4,500.00 as well, so spare me any **** about my averages.
You CANNOT duplicate a complete Type R swap by starting with a GS-R engine and tranny and only adding in $2,000.00. Labor alone to tear down and rebuild the engine will eat into that amount by almost half.
Quickly here, you'd need the following to get the GS-r to be a Type R:
Moly coated pistons with higher domes
ITR rods
ITR crank
ITR flywheel
ITR cams
ITR-spec intake manifold
ITR-spec throttle body
Mildly ported and polished PR3 B16A/Type R head
Stiffer valvesprings
Different ECU like a rechipped P28 to ITR specs
You'd also have to build the bottom end with all new Honda bearings, and plastiguage all of the journals to get close to what Honda does in terms of the build quality. Honda has many different thickness bearings, all color coded, and Honda has been known to match up two different colors on one journal just to get that one journal absolutely perfect. (Example one brown top half, one green lower - just colors pulled from thin air to demonstrate.)
Then you'd need to add either a Type R tranny or a B16A tranny with LSD added.
Do you think all of that can be done for $2,000.00? Don't forget about machine shop labor too.
Did you miss the part where two or three people already stated there is no such thing as a B18C USDM block?
They are either B18C1 or B18C5 - B18C is the JDM block code for either their SiR-G (GS-R) or Type R.
Also sure you can build a GS-R block to be like a Type R block, but you'll spend more money doing so and you won't have that awesome O.E Honda build quality that keeps R engines lasting over 100K miles even after being beaten to ****.
I've broken it down a million times here, but it boils down to this:
B18C1 swap - $3,500.00 or so
B18C5 swap - $5,500.00 or so
Prices are market averages. Yes you can find some s-R swaps for under $3,500.00, but you can also find JDM R swaps for $4,500.00 as well, so spare me any **** about my averages.
You CANNOT duplicate a complete Type R swap by starting with a GS-R engine and tranny and only adding in $2,000.00. Labor alone to tear down and rebuild the engine will eat into that amount by almost half.
Quickly here, you'd need the following to get the GS-r to be a Type R:
Moly coated pistons with higher domes
ITR rods
ITR crank
ITR flywheel
ITR cams
ITR-spec intake manifold
ITR-spec throttle body
Mildly ported and polished PR3 B16A/Type R head
Stiffer valvesprings
Different ECU like a rechipped P28 to ITR specs
You'd also have to build the bottom end with all new Honda bearings, and plastiguage all of the journals to get close to what Honda does in terms of the build quality. Honda has many different thickness bearings, all color coded, and Honda has been known to match up two different colors on one journal just to get that one journal absolutely perfect. (Example one brown top half, one green lower - just colors pulled from thin air to demonstrate.)
Then you'd need to add either a Type R tranny or a B16A tranny with LSD added.
Do you think all of that can be done for $2,000.00? Don't forget about machine shop labor too.
04-12-2004, 08:31 AM
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (B18C5-EH2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Did you miss the part where two or three people already stated there is no such thing as a B18C USDM block?
They are either B18C1 or B18C5 - B18C is the JDM block code for either their SiR-G (GS-R) or Type R.
Also sure you can build a GS-R block to be like a Type R block, but you'll spend more money doing so and you won't have that awesome O.E Honda build quality that keeps R engines lasting over 100K miles even after being beaten to ****.
I've broken it down a million times here, but it boils down to this:
B18C1 swap - $3,500.00 or so
B18C5 swap - $5,500.00 or so
Prices are market averages. Yes you can find some s-R swaps for under $3,500.00, but you can also find JDM R swaps for $4,500.00 as well, so spare me any **** about my averages.
You CANNOT duplicate a complete Type R swap by starting with a GS-R engine and tranny and only adding in $2,000.00. Labor alone to tear down and rebuild the engine will eat into that amount by almost half.
Quickly here, you'd need the following to get the GS-r to be a Type R:
Moly coated pistons with higher domes
ITR rods
ITR crank
ITR flywheel
ITR cams
ITR-spec intake manifold
ITR-spec throttle body
Mildly ported and polished PR3 B16A/Type R head
Stiffer valvesprings
Different ECU like a rechipped P28 to ITR specs
You'd also have to build the bottom end with all new Honda bearings, and plastiguage all of the journals to get close to what Honda does in terms of the build quality. Honda has many different thickness bearings, all color coded, and Honda has been known to match up two different colors on one journal just to get that one journal absolutely perfect. (Example one brown top half, one green lower - just colors pulled from thin air to demonstrate.)
Then you'd need to add either a Type R tranny or a B16A tranny with LSD added.
Do you think all of that can be done for $2,000.00? Don't forget about machine shop labor too.
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well put...you are better of just buyin the actual R u know? or do a half *** job and have a in betweener which isnt bad but its not an R...
Did you miss the part where two or three people already stated there is no such thing as a B18C USDM block?
They are either B18C1 or B18C5 - B18C is the JDM block code for either their SiR-G (GS-R) or Type R.
Also sure you can build a GS-R block to be like a Type R block, but you'll spend more money doing so and you won't have that awesome O.E Honda build quality that keeps R engines lasting over 100K miles even after being beaten to ****.
I've broken it down a million times here, but it boils down to this:
B18C1 swap - $3,500.00 or so
B18C5 swap - $5,500.00 or so
Prices are market averages. Yes you can find some s-R swaps for under $3,500.00, but you can also find JDM R swaps for $4,500.00 as well, so spare me any **** about my averages.
You CANNOT duplicate a complete Type R swap by starting with a GS-R engine and tranny and only adding in $2,000.00. Labor alone to tear down and rebuild the engine will eat into that amount by almost half.
Quickly here, you'd need the following to get the GS-r to be a Type R:
Moly coated pistons with higher domes
ITR rods
ITR crank
ITR flywheel
ITR cams
ITR-spec intake manifold
ITR-spec throttle body
Mildly ported and polished PR3 B16A/Type R head
Stiffer valvesprings
Different ECU like a rechipped P28 to ITR specs
You'd also have to build the bottom end with all new Honda bearings, and plastiguage all of the journals to get close to what Honda does in terms of the build quality. Honda has many different thickness bearings, all color coded, and Honda has been known to match up two different colors on one journal just to get that one journal absolutely perfect. (Example one brown top half, one green lower - just colors pulled from thin air to demonstrate.)
Then you'd need to add either a Type R tranny or a B16A tranny with LSD added.
Do you think all of that can be done for $2,000.00? Don't forget about machine shop labor too.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
well put...you are better of just buyin the actual R u know? or do a half *** job and have a in betweener which isnt bad but its not an R...
04-12-2004, 08:41 AM
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (B18C5-EH2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Quickly here, you'd need the following to get the GS-r to be a Type R:
ITR crank</TD></TR></TABLE>
What's different about the B18C5 crank? Is it shaved or lighter or something? I've never heard that it's any different than a B18C1's.
ITR crank</TD></TR></TABLE>
What's different about the B18C5 crank? Is it shaved or lighter or something? I've never heard that it's any different than a B18C1's.
04-12-2004, 11:50 AM
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (Archidictus)
your missing my point...I'm building a turbo B18 and I managed to get a B18C5 block.........Is it any different from a B18C1?
now keep in mind I'm using Ross Pistons, Pauter Rods, Not the stock internals.
If you took a B18C1 after casting, and a B18C5 after casting, would there be any difference in JUST the block?
now keep in mind I'm using Ross Pistons, Pauter Rods, Not the stock internals.
If you took a B18C1 after casting, and a B18C5 after casting, would there be any difference in JUST the block?
04-12-2004, 11:53 AM
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (Archidictus)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What's different about the B18C5 crank? Is it shaved or lighter or something? I've never heard that it's any different than a B18C1's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm sure it's not a huge difference, but I do recall reading that they were different.
My bad if they are not.
What's different about the B18C5 crank? Is it shaved or lighter or something? I've never heard that it's any different than a B18C1's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm sure it's not a huge difference, but I do recall reading that they were different.
My bad if they are not.
04-12-2004, 11:57 AM
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (B18C5-EH2)
The b18c5 crank is actually heavier than a b18c1 crank. The c5 crank has more counterweights on it, adding the extra weight.
The BARE blocks themselves are identical though. Same internal and external dimensions.
The BARE blocks themselves are identical though. Same internal and external dimensions.
04-12-2004, 12:21 PM
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (Jflex)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jflex »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your missing my point...I'm building a turbo B18 and I managed to get a B18C5 block.........Is it any different from a B18C1?
now keep in mind I'm using Ross Pistons, Pauter Rods, Not the stock internals.
If you took a B18C1 after casting, and a B18C5 after casting, would there be any difference in JUST the block? </TD></TR></TABLE>
anyone?!
Is it worth getting a B18C5 block over a B18C1?
now keep in mind I'm using Ross Pistons, Pauter Rods, Not the stock internals.
If you took a B18C1 after casting, and a B18C5 after casting, would there be any difference in JUST the block? </TD></TR></TABLE>
anyone?!
Is it worth getting a B18C5 block over a B18C1?
04-12-2004, 02:42 PM
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (Archidictus)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What's different about the B18C5 crank? Is it shaved or lighter or something? I've never heard that it's any different than a B18C1's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
its balanced a little better
What's different about the B18C5 crank? Is it shaved or lighter or something? I've never heard that it's any different than a B18C1's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
its balanced a little better
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (Jflex)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jflex »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
anyone?!
Is it worth getting a B18C5 block over a B18C1?</TD></TR></TABLE>
no there is no real advantages...just get which one at a good deal
anyone?!
Is it worth getting a B18C5 block over a B18C1?</TD></TR></TABLE>
no there is no real advantages...just get which one at a good deal
04-14-2004, 11:45 AM
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Re: Is there any difference between a USDM bare B18C and C5???? (Jflex)
the casting is the exact same, the only way i know of to tell between a c1 and a c5 block (besides looking at the code, duh) is that the b18c5 has an oil cooler chamber (black box) in the back.
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