Tell tale signs of fake integra engines b18c
11-04-2006, 11:35 AM
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Tell tale signs of fake integra engines b18c
im going to look at an itr engine tomorrow to put in my civic vti so i wanna no if there are any signs that its a fake what stamp is there on the head and is there any marks on the intake maniofold he says its a uk car and he has the log book but its a b18c5 can this be correct? i thought the b18c5 was US and the b18c6 was UK any1 no?
11-04-2006, 11:48 AM
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UK = B18C5/6
US = B18C5
JAP = B18C or B18C R
Also, the head should be a PR3 ... but that could still be a b16 head. If it's just a GSR/SiR-G/Si VTEC, it'd be a P72.
Modified by Eran at 2:19 PM 11/5/2006
US = B18C5
JAP = B18C or B18C R
Also, the head should be a PR3 ... but that could still be a b16 head. If it's just a GSR/SiR-G/Si VTEC, it'd be a P72.
Modified by Eran at 2:19 PM 11/5/2006
11-04-2006, 02:21 PM
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The best place to look on the block is I believe inside the oil pan. It should be stamped P72 or P73. I know this is stamped somewhere on these blocks. Otherwise pull the head and look at the pistons but that could be false as well.
If not mistaken other than the pistons the gsr and type r blocks are closely the same. Its all in the head.
If not mistaken other than the pistons the gsr and type r blocks are closely the same. Its all in the head.
11-04-2006, 02:25 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sauceja »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The best place to look on the block is I believe inside the oil pan. It should be stamped P72 or P73. I know this is stamped somewhere on these blocks. Otherwise pull the head and look at the pistons but that could be false as well.
If not mistaken other than the pistons the gsr and type r blocks are closely the same. Its all in the head.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I thought P72's were the gsr's .... not the type r.
If not mistaken other than the pistons the gsr and type r blocks are closely the same. Its all in the head.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I thought P72's were the gsr's .... not the type r.
11-04-2006, 04:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eran »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I thought P72's were the gsr's .... not the type r.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Right but if it says p72 then its not the type r he thinks he is getting. But it is either a p72 or P73 if it is a JDM B18C block.
Sorry should have clarified.
I thought P72's were the gsr's .... not the type r.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Right but if it says p72 then its not the type r he thinks he is getting. But it is either a p72 or P73 if it is a JDM B18C block.
Sorry should have clarified.
11-04-2006, 04:24 PM
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Re: (sauceja)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sauceja »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Right but if it says p72 then its not the type r he thinks he is getting. But it is either a p72 or P73 if it is a JDM B18C block.
Sorry should have clarified.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ah, now that makes sense.
Sorry should have clarified.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ah, now that makes sense.
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11-05-2006, 10:06 AM
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Most likely but unless you can tell if it has been factory ported and polished. The best way to tell the head is pull the valve cover and look at the exhaust springs. If it has dual valve springs then either
a) type r
b) upgraded valvetrain
a) type r
b) upgraded valvetrain
11-05-2006, 03:35 PM
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Re: (sauceja)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sauceja »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Most likely but unless you can tell if it has been factory ported and polished. The best way to tell the head is pull the valve cover and look at the exhaust springs. If it has dual valve springs then either
a) type r
b) upgraded valvetrain</TD></TR></TABLE>
i thought all b16 heads had dual valve springs on the exhaust side except gen 1s which had intake duals only?
a) type r
b) upgraded valvetrain</TD></TR></TABLE>
i thought all b16 heads had dual valve springs on the exhaust side except gen 1s which had intake duals only?
11-06-2006, 12:31 PM
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ok look and make sure its all OBD2. if it's not it's been converted or messed with to try to scam you. o and btwGSR and ITR have the !!!SAME!!! block mold! but diff internals. and ITRs sure have a bigger TB, not sure what mm it is tho. best thing to do is go on an
itr forum,they will give ya an ear full.
itr forum,they will give ya an ear full.
11-06-2006, 01:17 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16a2civicesi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pls note this is a uk b18c6</TD></TR></TABLE>
Then just look at the stamp. B18C6 = UK ITR & B18C4 = UK GSR (or whatever they call it there).
This seems most logical to me. Why don't people start with the simplest things first?
Then just look at the stamp. B18C6 = UK ITR & B18C4 = UK GSR (or whatever they call it there).
This seems most logical to me. Why don't people start with the simplest things first?
11-07-2006, 10:07 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr Hammond »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Then just look at the stamp. B18C6 = UK ITR & B18C4 = UK GSR (or whatever they call it there).
This seems most logical to me. Why don't people start with the simplest things first?</TD></TR></TABLE>
probably because they assume ive already checked that as i have thanks for the info
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16a2civicesi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
probably because they assume ive already checked that as i have thanks for the info </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well I assume nothing. Neither should anyone. What did the stamp say? B18C6? If so what more do you want. You can look at the intake manifold and throttle body. After that, you'd need to pull the valve cover and check to see if there were dual valve springs on the exhaust side. Then you could check the cams and if you were really **** you would have to pull the head and check the stamp on the piston tops.
probably because they assume ive already checked that as i have thanks for the info </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well I assume nothing. Neither should anyone. What did the stamp say? B18C6? If so what more do you want. You can look at the intake manifold and throttle body. After that, you'd need to pull the valve cover and check to see if there were dual valve springs on the exhaust side. Then you could check the cams and if you were really **** you would have to pull the head and check the stamp on the piston tops.
11-07-2006, 12:46 PM
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Re: Tell tale signs of fake integra engines b18c (b16a2civicesi)
Few quick hints:
Obviously check the block stamp - B18C5/B18C6 = Type R
If it's just "B18C" then it could be a JDM GS-R (180ps) or a JDM ITR engine (200ps) and you'd need to try and look for some tell-tale ITR-identification stuff.
Intake manifold - this is an ITR:
GS-R looks "upside down" and nothing like the ITR one in the pic above.
Next is the type of head - PR3 means it's a Type R or B16A head, while P72 is GS-R - few rip-off artists will actually swap a GS-R head for a PR3 just to pass it off as a Type R engine:
Sometimes the tranny is still stamped with the "J4D LSD" stamp, which means it's an LSD Type R tranny:
Only problem here is many legit ITR trannies don't have this stamp because it's very easy to wash off.
Another thing you can look for is the VIN number plate riveted to the tranny:
The green plate will have the VIN number if the tranny is original. Run that VIN and see if it is a Type R or not.
Now if that plate is missing and there are clean holes where the rivets should be then chances are the tranny was replaced at some point with a brand new one, as seen here - I purchased a brand new ITR tranny a while back and now I have no VIN plate obviously because the tranny was never in a car to begin with:
If there are any marks near those rivet holes, or worse, if it's obvious that those rivets have been drilled out or cut off be extremely wary! People don't remove VIN numbers just for fun - it's usually stolen, or they know the VIN won't check out as Type R if they're trying to pull a scam.
Aside from that there is a small greenish mark where the distributor bolts to the cylinder head, but even that can be washed off as I can't really see the mark on my B18C5 any longer.
Good luck.
Obviously check the block stamp - B18C5/B18C6 = Type R
If it's just "B18C" then it could be a JDM GS-R (180ps) or a JDM ITR engine (200ps) and you'd need to try and look for some tell-tale ITR-identification stuff.
Intake manifold - this is an ITR:
GS-R looks "upside down" and nothing like the ITR one in the pic above.
Next is the type of head - PR3 means it's a Type R or B16A head, while P72 is GS-R - few rip-off artists will actually swap a GS-R head for a PR3 just to pass it off as a Type R engine:
Sometimes the tranny is still stamped with the "J4D LSD" stamp, which means it's an LSD Type R tranny:
Only problem here is many legit ITR trannies don't have this stamp because it's very easy to wash off.
Another thing you can look for is the VIN number plate riveted to the tranny:
The green plate will have the VIN number if the tranny is original. Run that VIN and see if it is a Type R or not.
Now if that plate is missing and there are clean holes where the rivets should be then chances are the tranny was replaced at some point with a brand new one, as seen here - I purchased a brand new ITR tranny a while back and now I have no VIN plate obviously because the tranny was never in a car to begin with:
If there are any marks near those rivet holes, or worse, if it's obvious that those rivets have been drilled out or cut off be extremely wary! People don't remove VIN numbers just for fun - it's usually stolen, or they know the VIN won't check out as Type R if they're trying to pull a scam.
Aside from that there is a small greenish mark where the distributor bolts to the cylinder head, but even that can be washed off as I can't really see the mark on my B18C5 any longer.
Good luck.
11-07-2006, 12:52 PM
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Re: Tell tale signs of fake integra engines b18c (B18C5-EH2)
When I first saw this post I thought of those fake mini cooper commercials.
I expected to see a kia engine or something like that with B18C dremeled into it.
I expected to see a kia engine or something like that with B18C dremeled into it.
11-07-2006, 12:55 PM
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Re: Tell tale signs of fake integra engines b18c (mike1114)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike1114 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When I first saw this post I thought of those fake mini cooper commercials.
I expected to see a kia engine or something like that with B18C dremeled into it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No unfortunately fuuckhead assfaces like to slap a red valvecover on a GS-R engine and say it's a "Type R" and overcharge people ITR money, which is about $1,500-$1,800.00 more than a standard GS-R swap.
People still try it, but with the marks and pics above as a guide/aide there's no reason anyone should get hoodwinked these days.
I expected to see a kia engine or something like that with B18C dremeled into it.
</TD></TR></TABLE>No unfortunately fuuckhead assfaces like to slap a red valvecover on a GS-R engine and say it's a "Type R" and overcharge people ITR money, which is about $1,500-$1,800.00 more than a standard GS-R swap.
People still try it, but with the marks and pics above as a guide/aide there's no reason anyone should get hoodwinked these days.
11-07-2006, 01:00 PM
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Re: Tell tale signs of fake integra engines b18c (B18C5-EH2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C5-EH2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hoodwinked</TD></TR></TABLE>
To be deceived. It actually derives from the practice of placing a hood over the head of a falcon in the Middle Ages when engaged in the sport of falconry. This was done in order to trick the falcon into believing it was nighttime, thus calming the bird down so that one could recover the prey from the bird's talons.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
To be deceived. It actually derives from the practice of placing a hood over the head of a falcon in the Middle Ages when engaged in the sport of falconry. This was done in order to trick the falcon into believing it was nighttime, thus calming the bird down so that one could recover the prey from the bird's talons.
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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