Notices
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000) EG/EH/EJ/EK/EM1 Discussion

Tail Happy Hatch

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-22-2004, 10:28 AM
  #1  
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Burke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Youngstown, OH
Posts: 1,992
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Tail Happy Hatch

Never driven my hatch in the snow until last week. and it is quite surprising.
The tail end just flies out with little to no help. i feel it has to do with a couple things.
1. i have koni yellow's in the rear, agx's up front and ground control coilovers.
2. new tires up front, and some 30% tread ones in the rear
3. light hatch with no weight over the rear.

i mean sure its fun, but damn, i sure was surpised when i pulled out for the first time in the snow on the street and fishtailed about 3 times. also did a complete 360 on bridge going 30-35mph while trying to change lanes. i guess those "bridge freezes before road" signs are true. i feel i've got it under control now, but it can be a little unnerving.
i've had a coupe with an ok suspension (tokico blues, springs) on it and it never did this.

any suggestions, i was thinking of sandbags


Old 12-22-2004, 10:30 AM
  #2  
HT Order of Merit
 
JDM_Ej's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 6,205
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default Re: Tail Happy Hatch (Burke)

lol yea, my coupe is like that. Going arond corners in the snow is kinda fun lol. Lightly whip the wheel a little and the *** end will swing out lol.

You could get some snow tires, they help a lot. Maybe try some sandbags? Cinderblocks? Watch it though, if you have more weight in the back and your *** end goes out, it will be a lot harder to get back because of the additional weight.
Old 12-22-2004, 11:14 AM
  #3  
Honda-Tech Member
 
ironlung78's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: 239
Posts: 614
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Tail Happy Hatch (Burke)

you still got drums in the rear????

sounds like whoever did your last brake job adjusted them a little too tight!!! A frontwheel drive car should not fish tail unless you actually pull on the ebrake...

jack up both sides of the back and see if both back wheels spin freely with little or no resistance when you turn them!! if they are hard to spin you should readjust them..
Old 12-22-2004, 11:33 AM
  #4  
Former Moderator
 
B18C5-EH2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Southside ATL, GA
Posts: 16,612
Received 54 Likes on 29 Posts
Default Re: Tail Happy Hatch (Burke)

You left out a key detail:

What tires do you run?

I'd say get some steelies and some Blizzaks or a comparable snow/ice tire.
Old 12-22-2004, 11:48 AM
  #5  
Honda-Tech Member
 
AutoXer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: The Hudson
Posts: 3,622
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Tail Happy Hatch (Burke)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Burke &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
1. i have koni yellow's in the rear, agx's up front and ground control coilovers.
</TD></TR></TABLE>

And what settings / spring rates are you running? If your rear is stiffer than your front, you'll get oversteer.

Old 12-22-2004, 11:59 AM
  #6  
Member
 
HumanResource's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: I sell JDM engines too, CA, US
Posts: 1,370
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Tail Happy Hatch (Burke)

I get mine like that when i play with the Sway Bar settings
loose in the front TIGHT In the BACK=Tail happy
no fun in the rain (well only for the first time then it's just annoying)
Old 12-22-2004, 12:01 PM
  #7  
Electrician
 
Deemeetree's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Astoria, Queens,, Zoo York City, U.S.A.
Posts: 4,709
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

You're never going to be in control with snow/ice.
Old 12-22-2004, 02:06 PM
  #8  
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Burke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Youngstown, OH
Posts: 1,992
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: Tail Happy Hatch (sidesi)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sidesi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you still got drums in the rear????

sounds like whoever did your last brake job adjusted them a little too tight!!! A frontwheel drive car should not fish tail unless you actually pull on the ebrake...

jack up both sides of the back and see if both back wheels spin freely with little or no resistance when you turn them!! if they are hard to spin you should readjust them..</TD></TR></TABLE>

i did my brakes last and i know they are good.
im rocking some 185/60/14's so i go some some nice pizza cutters. never though about how much harder it would be to get the tail back with more weight. i'll try it in a parking lot first.

my shock are set as soft as you can get and the spring rate are 450 front 350 rear i think. i am looking into some 800's or so for drag racing. but those wont go on till the snow melts.

thanks for the tip guys. looks like it snowing now..... wish me luck
Old 12-22-2004, 03:30 PM
  #9  
Member
 
93CivicSI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: The Grand Canyon State, USA
Posts: 1,556
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Re: Tail Happy Hatch (Burke)

This may seem WAAAAAAAY out there, not to mention basic intuition - but - according to this article http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...s.jsp the tires with the best tread should be on the rear. I have read this in a couple of other places as well.
Old 12-22-2004, 03:37 PM
  #10  
 
DAguyLS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA
Posts: 1,273
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

well you won't move very far if you can't get the wheels that spin to get traction

so then you won't need to worry about the rear sliding out cause you won't budge the car in snow
Old 12-22-2004, 03:46 PM
  #11  
Honda-Tech Member
 
marshun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: some place, hi, usa
Posts: 1,374
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: (slamdLScivic)

you guys think too much into it. he just needs decent tires in the back .

but it isnt that bad, just drive a tad slower. thats all
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
SimonFitted
Honda / Acura
4
01-12-2011 02:13 PM
94gsr_teg
For Sale
7
09-08-2009 06:29 AM
prelude182
Honda Civic / Del Sol (1992 - 2000)
4
05-06-2009 05:56 PM
97civic94gsxr
Suspension & Brakes
7
03-29-2008 07:24 AM
Type_Rocket
Acura Integra Type-R
1
07-05-2001 10:46 PM



Quick Reply: Tail Happy Hatch



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:09 PM.