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Old 09-09-2011, 10:06 PM
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Default Swapping 00 B16a2 into 96 Civic hatch - need help

Hey everyone, Im new to swaps and I've been searching for help with this swap which has been a pain because I live in CA and need more specifics.
I know this is a common swap, but Im new to this and I'm still searching, but I need some help. I have some quite a few questions and hope you guys could answer them.

I have a 96 cx hatch btw... and putting the 00 si motor in it

Transmission: I heard there's an adapter i can use, since its a cable tranny?
Also, do i need any mounts for it or will i use the D-series mounts?

Fuel lines/pump/injectors: What will I need to do for this?

Radiator: Which one do I use? or can i use my stock one? also will it bolt right in?

Ac Condenser: Which one do i use? Does it hook up fine without modification?

WIRING: Can I use my stock harness? What modification will I have to do? Will all my electrical plugs fit? How do I wire V-tec

Ecu: How does it hook up? Do i need an adapter?

EMISSIONS: What do I have to do to pass emissions?
I had one response where he said id have to do something will my fuel tank. Idk CA is just a pain in the ***.

If any could answer these questions for me it would be GREATLY APPRECIATED. This has been bothering me for the past 2 weeks. Thanks again!
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Fuel lines/pump/injectors: use the injectors on the b16 motor.fuel lines and pump will stay the same.no need to change them.

Radiator: reuse your stock one.

Ac Condenser; will work with both swaps.

Ecu: get a chipped obd1 ecu and a obd2a to obd1 jumper harness

WIRING: you can use your stock harness but you will have to change the iacv from a 3 wire to a 2 wire. vtec and the oil pressure switch will require you to add 2 wires from the engine to the ecu.

Transmission; i don't like cable trannys, i would sell it and get a hydro tranny. makes thing alot easier.

EMISSIONS: put a cat converter and a muffler with a good tune on the ecu.
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Default Re: B16a2 Swap Help

cant use a chipped ecu because im in cali and im trying to get i bar'd
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well the ecu from the si swap wont work. your gonna have to find a 96-98 stick vtec ecu so it will work with your swap. and you will never get the full potential of that motor with that ecu
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damn... why cant i use the ecu from the 99-00 si?
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the plugs are different in the inside. if you wanted to use the si harness you have to change the harness behind the dash so it will match the si harness. the green plug by the ecu changes...
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so, id need the 98-98 ex harness then? and i would still have to do some modification?

oh for the radiator, wouldnt i need a bigger one because the motor is DOHC
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yes but that a easy fix you just have to extend the vtec wire and the oil pressure swith to reach the new location. the iacv is there already, you just need to change the plug from a 3 wire to a 2 wire., and the radiator is the same from 92-2000. half size.
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Default Re: B16a2 Swap Help

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well the ecu from the si swap wont work. your gonna have to find a 96-98 stick vtec ecu so it will work with your swap. and you will never get the full potential of that motor with that ecu
ah, no. He CAN use the SI ecu, but, it's not going to be easy.

If he can run a jumper, peice of cake, just buy a obd2a to obd2b jumper harness. If not, he's going to have repin/modify the plugs/harness to accept the new ecu. He could also switch out to the 99-00 harness. Dash/Engine would need to be switched. IMO, this would require changing the Climate control to the 99-00 type.

OP, why are you going to run cable tranny? it's going to create a large headache. The hatch is hydro, as is the SI. Keep the car hydro.
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^^^^ yeah good point. i forgot about the jumper harness.
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It's a grey area though, I am not sure if they're legal in CA. OP, This is something you'll want to check on.
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Default Re: B16a2 Swap Help

So the stock si tranny is hydro? i heard it was cable...oh well

umm do you have any links to like a write up or something I've been searching for all this info for a whileee and havent come up with much...
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nope, ALL 92-00+ civic's are hydro.
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Alright cool well if you have any other info that would be great, but thanks for the info.
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Default Re: Swapping 00 B16a2 into 96 Civic hatch - need help

Judging by your post, you need to do a lot of searching and reading. There are info here that you can check out and read up on under FAQ. Being that your in CA as well, swapping can be tricky and if this is your first time. Hence like BAR referee. I just recently BAR'D my EH with a B18C1. So I'll help you what I can on that part.

Here's a list of what you need:

1) 99-00(EM1) Civic Si B16A2/S4C
2) 99-00 Civic Si axles/Rear T-mount
3) 96-00 Civic Ex/Si catalytic converter (if you can find it with the swap, great)
4) 96-98 Civic Ex engine harness
5) 96-98 Del Sol DOHC VTEC P30 ECU

To make things easier, I would find a donor car that is wreck or just want to part out the whole engine swap. This way you won't be missing any knick knack parts and everything is original down to it's distributor and nuts and bolts. Also, try to find one that is low mileage. Take your time, get the right parts and do it right the first time.

These are the basics you need.

Here's the number to the ref station. 1-800-622-7733, I think someone on this board passed with a jumper harness. You can get info on that.
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Well, Ive read it's important that I take receipts with me to show the ref, for proof it's legit and not stolen. I've also read that I need other brackets to mount the motor and tranny. And for the ecu, wouldn it be better to run the si one because thats something the ref would be looking for right? As for my exhaust post, I mean I have no problem installing a catback later, I just want to go and pass with a stock exhaust first.
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Originally Posted by my1stek
Well, Ive read it's important that I take receipts with me to show the ref, for proof it's legit and not stolen. I've also read that I need other brackets to mount the motor and tranny. And for the ecu, wouldn it be better to run the si one because thats something the ref would be looking for right? As for my exhaust post, I mean I have no problem installing a catback later, I just want to go and pass with a stock exhaust first.
Wow. Would you read my post again? I don't know where you get your information but it's all up to you. Ref's won't look for receipt and I already told you what bracket to use. Ecu, like I said call the number. You can run any type of cat-back. Do your damn homework. I'm getting irritated.
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I've only been reading on the forum for like two weeks so please excuse my ignorance, but what is BAR'd??
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Del sol's ran the b16a3, which is almost the exact same as the b16a2.

Running the SI ecu will give you a headache, unless you want to swap all 99-00 stuff in.
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I've only been reading on the forum for like two weeks so please excuse my ignorance, but what is BAR'd??
http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/
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Well, I called the ref station and they've been busy all day... but yeah, I know almost everything I need. Just need to figure out if I can use my radiator and what hoses. Also, what a/c condensor I need.
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Originally Posted by my1stek
Well, I called the ref station and they've been busy all day... but yeah, I know almost everything I need. Just need to figure out if I can use my radiator and what hoses. Also, what a/c condensor I need.
B16 radiator hoses. Stock A/C condenser. They are both the same.
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B16 radiator hoses. Stock A/C condenser. They are both the same.
So i can use the lower and upper hoses from the delsol right? And I know for the a/c condensor Ill need a bracket. Will I need a bracket for the radiator or bolts in the same?
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So i can use the lower and upper hoses from the delsol right? And I know for the a/c condensor Ill need a bracket. Will I need a bracket for the radiator or bolts in the same?
You don't even have to take the radiator out if you don't want to. but yeah it's the same. You know there is an FAQ, right? https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/faqs-frequently-asked-tech-questions-1998336/

These questions get asked every day, that's why they're on the FAQ.

Entire A/C system on both cars are the same except for the compressor. You'll need a bracket from a Del Sol VTEC in order to keep your A/C COMPRESSOR, not condenser. The condenser is the other radiator look-a-like that's on the driver's side of the car. You'll need the bracket, pulley, and belt. The code for a Del Sol VTEC is P54. Just look for a P54 A/C bracket and pulley.
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Thanks man, really helpful info. I'm new to Honda tech so yeah just getting adjusted


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