ej_man

ok i got a b16a with all the bolt-ons with 98 spec ITR cams. i made 164whp with 107wtq@8050rpm and i would have made more but couldnt cause of stock dual valve srings tuner said 8-10whp. now heres the question should i do the jun/spoon stroker kit or am i better off just puttin ctr piston with a lil over bore? my goal is 200+whp na but i want to keep my b16 block so let me know i think i can get 200whp just with ctr pistons and changing my header to a 4-1 what kind of power would i see from the stroker kit?

rick_rabies

hp #s depend on alot more then what you can see. ie. fuel. air temp. air pressure.
if you want 200hp from a b16..you need to def get a nice header. valve train. bore it out. dont stroke nothing... just bore it out and get bigger pistons. ...unless you can find a gsr bottom end...

ej_man

im trynig to get a hold of these type R headers they were on my boys all motor gsr that made 200whp.
will CTR pistons work
and why no stroke not worth it? i just would love to rev to 10k lol

rick_rabies

if your gonna stroke it. just get an Ls block (oem stroked b16 block)
get an LS block and put 11.1 pistons and forged rods in it...wala. bottom end done.
the do up the head. get it ported, it makes a big dif with cams

thumper64

The LS is not a stroked B16. A stroked B16 would be a B17. A B18C would close to a B16, but it has a taller deck height. The LS and VTEC motors are not the same.

Deetz

Stroker kits are awesome, they make hp and torque!! the last one we built went into a B18C with a 84mm Darton sleeve kit. It displaced 2.2L, had some crazy cams and some other bolt on's......it made 262hp to the wheels!!

In your situation, i wouldn't waste your time with a B16 block though. Find a cheap B18C short block with a spun bearing, or an oil burner....get it cheap!!! Than stroke that!!!
Thanks what i did, full short block $300

rick_rabies

i didnt say the vtec and ls motors were the same. i was talking about stroke.
the ls crank and rod gives more of a stroke then the b16. hence why people make more power with an ls bottom instead of a b16 bottom (and of course there is more displacement)

thumper64

Oh, definitely. Just with the dumb newbs here, it's best not to misinform them and have them asking stupid questions like why a GSR block costs more than a B18B.

newtron63h

stroker kit, i know of one made by eagle that makes the b16 into a 1766cc(b18c is 1797cc). .5mm over bored, a lil less stroke than a b18. all forged. better rod/stroke ratio than the b18, shorter stroke means lower piston speed compared to a b18 so it can handle more rpm. should be a pretty nasty thing. bigger bore unshrouds the valves, allowing better flow. 2 different compression options via the pistons(domed or dished). heres the link:
http://www.summitracing.com/search/m...m/?Ns=Rank|Asc

Deetz

I think you missed the point on the rod/stroke ratio. Stroking a B16 changes that ratio, as does in a B18.
The B18C we last built was an 85mm bore, plus the eagle stroker crank....i can;t recall off the top of my head, but the rod/stroke ratio actually came out real good with that combination, plus the 2.2L displacement made killer power, TQ was huge, right off of idle!!

newtron63h

yes i know changing the stroke changes the ratio........the ratio WITH the kit is better than a b18c

newtron63h

a b18c ratio is 1.58, a stock b16 is 1.7??. the stroked b16 is 1.59

ej_man

well my boy is gonna sell me a 94 gsr bare block for 200 i just need bearing and old pump so i think ima do that wit ctr pistons you think i'll hit over 200whp with that

heritage36

I can probably offer a lot of insight into your situation, as this has been my goal also, a B16 NA with 200whp. What I have come to find unfortunately is that its pretty much impossible. You could get it to 180, maybe 190, but I have not even heard of that personally. I talked to one of the guys at ENDYN, who are extremely knowledgable, and they told me that stroking a B16 is a waste of time, because the decks are too short and they are pretty much guaranteed to burn large quantities of oil. The guy told me I would be way better off getting an LS block and stroking that if I was going to stroke. The only thing you can really do safely and make run right with a B16 block is a B17 crank/rods, but that is only a little bit of a gain. For your last idea of the GSR block with type R pistons, you could probably get 190 out of that if its really done up, but 200 would be tough. Good luck though, if you do hit 200 I would definitely be interested in knowing how you got there.

ej_man

it can be done with a b16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Flr0LUtmE

my boy with a b16 made 179whp with just ctr pistons over bore his compression was 11-5-1 ans all he had was ehaust i got everything mani throttle body, intake ITR cams i would have made 177whp if i would have had dual valve springs and 4-1 header. i think if i put the ctr pistons i'll make it but i just might get a gsr block with ctr pistons and i REALLY think i'll make that but i will def keep you posted