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Old 06-01-2009, 12:25 PM
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does sohc zc comes on civics after 1995? what is the ecu code of that engne?!

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does sohc zc comes on civics after 1995? what is the ecu code of that engne?!

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There are two kinds of SOHC ZC motors. The vtec variation is identical to the D16Z6. The non-vtec variation is similar to the D15Z4 and D16A6, but with a more aggressive cam.

You can run a PM6 (90-91 CRX Si) or PG7 (88-89 Integra), however the PG7 should make you run rich.

I believe the SOHC ZC motor can be found in the JDM 1992-1995 Honda Civic Si, 1991-93 Honda Integra.
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Originally Posted by Pandora
There are two kinds of SOHC ZC motors. The vtec variation is identical to the D16Z6. The non-vtec variation is similar to the D15Z4 and D16A6, but with a more aggressive cam.

You can run a PM6 (90-91 CRX Si) or PG7 (88-89 Integra), however the PG7 should make you run rich.

I believe the SOHC ZC motor can be found in the JDM 1992-1995 Honda Civic Si, 1991-93 Honda Integra.

they made obd0 zc's, obd1 and also obd2, not sure what year in 2000 they stopped tho.
also, some Dc1 integras (1994+) in japan came wit sohc zc motors
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they made obd0 zc's, obd1 and also obd2, not sure what year in 2000 they stopped tho.
also, some Dc1 integras (1994+) in japan came wit sohc zc motors
I thought perhaps the 94-01 Honda Integra Si had the ZC, but I'm not sure. It's so hard to find any legitimate information on it. And anything OBDII... pfff. Way too new for me.

All ZC really means, is that it's a JDM motor. There are codes on the block that can give you insight as to what it actually came from. I think it's a 6 digit code.

I can't vouch for the accuracy of this, but here is what I managed to scrounge up:

Civic:
'86-'87 (JDM 3rd Gen)
'88-'91 (JDM 4th Gen)

CRX/DelSol:
'85-'87(JDM 3rd Gen)
'88-'92 (JDM 4th Gen)

Integra:
'86-'89 (JDM 1st Gen)
'90-'93 (JDM 2nd Gen)

Hope some of this helps.
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I thought perhaps the 94-01 Honda Integra Si had the ZC, but I'm not sure. It's so hard to find any legitimate information on it. And anything OBDII... pfff. Way too new for me.

All ZC really means, is that it's a JDM motor. There are codes on the block that can give you insight as to what it actually came from. I think it's a 6 digit code.

I can't vouch for the accuracy of this, but here is what I managed to scrounge up:

Civic:
'86-'87 (JDM 3rd Gen)
'88-'91 (JDM 4th Gen)

CRX/DelSol:
'85-'87(JDM 3rd Gen)
'88-'92 (JDM 4th Gen)

Integra:
'86-'89 (JDM 1st Gen)
'90-'93 (JDM 2nd Gen)

Hope some of this helps.
if ur referring to the code on the front of the block i.e. d16a1, d16a6, d15b2 etc... then yes, those help to determine what the engine came out of. 5 letters is U.S. (i.e B16A2) 4 letters is JDM (B16A) What u listed above is more along the lines of determining vehicle chassis code... Ef, Eg, Ek etc...

The year the engine was made is on front of the head, in a circle wit a line thru it... 9/8= 1998

As far as not wanting to use an OBD-II engine, its fine. Most times u can jus swap parts off of ur older motor, OBD-I for example and put the newer engine in ur car. Manifold wit fuel rail, dizzy, pedestal etc..
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the obd2 zc's ive seen were like the d16y5 with the egr crap. not sure of the ecu code.
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Originally Posted by Icon_Ed6
if ur referring to the code on the front of the block i.e. d16a1, d16a6, d15b2 etc... then yes, those help to determine what the engine came out of. 5 letters is U.S. (i.e B16A2) 4 letters is JDM (B16A) What u listed above is more along the lines of determining vehicle chassis code... Ef, Eg, Ek etc...

The year the engine was made is on front of the head, in a circle wit a line thru it... 9/8= 1998

As far as not wanting to use an OBD-II engine, its fine. Most times u can jus swap parts off of ur older motor, OBD-I for example and put the newer engine in ur car. Manifold wit fuel rail, dizzy, pedestal etc..
Since a ZC motor is just stamped "ZC" there are no engine codes, such as "D16Z6" stamped on it. But there is a separate stamp on a ZC motor, I believe if it starts with a 2 it's from a civic/crx if it starts with a 5 it's from a 2nd gen teg. Knowing what generation motor you have and what it originally came out of can help him find the right ECU.

I found this article, which appears to be pretty complete. This may also help you.

ZC Identification Guide

The ZC engine is one of the hardest to identify because there are many different versions of this engine. Honda offered this engine in both single and dual overhead cam designs, as well as fuel injected and carbureted versions of these. This article distinguishes the different versions of the ZCs offered. Hopefully this will separate the facts from the myths.

The first ZC

ZC’s were first offered in Civic’s and Integra’s in 1985 and were still being manufactured in vehicles up until 2001. The first Generation ZC’s were offered from 1985 through 1987. These engines can be found in 85-87 JDM Civic’s and JDM CRX Si’s and were very similar to the 1986-1987 US Integra engine. It’s worth noting that this engine came with the highest horsepower rating of all ZCs at 137 horsepower. Remember, these engines were offered in Japan and similar versions offered in the United States were only offering 112 horsepower. The main difference is Japan’s higher quality gasoline and different fuel curves along with slightly higher compression. These engines are usually bolted into 1st generation Crx’s and 3rd Generation Civic’s along with 1986-1987 Integra’s. Most of this is pretty straight forward. The main problem lies within the carbureted versus fuel injected models offered during these years. This conversion is both difficult and time consuming and really not recommended because the results really aren’t that impressive.

Swaping the 1st gen ZC

To bolt this engine in, the following mounts will be needed. First, the passenger side mount and rear mount from the ZC/Integra should be used while the driver’s side mount and bracket need to be used from the Civic/Crx. To make things easier with wiring just use the stock wiring harness. Several of the wires may need to be lengthened but there shouldn’t be any other problems. Ideally, the ZC ECU should be used however the Si ECU is adequate. If installing the Civic ZC into an 1986-1987 Integra is the goal, you’ll need the Integra intake manifold and throttle body. Remember, the OEM wiring harnesses should be used with its own engine to make the swap easier and cleaner.

The 2nd Generation of ZC's

In 1988 Honda introduced the second generation of ZC’s. These came with a black valve cover and have several differences when compared to the first generation ZC’s there. First, its important to realize that there are two types of ZC’s. The first, offered exclusively in JDM Civic’s/CRX’s, has ZC stamped on the block. The second is the D16A8/D16A9 and it came in USDM Acura Integra’s. These two engines are not interchangeable with one another and have different engine mounts. The Integra’s driver’s side mount is located near the front of the engine while the JDM ZC’s engine mount is closer to the timing belt cover. It is also worth noting that the valve covers and intake manifolds are also slightly different.

What do these fit?

Because the 88-89 Integra ZC engine mounts the same as the 86-89 Integra, the engine will not only bolt in to the 88-89 Integra, but also into the 86-87 Integra and 84-87 Civic or CRX. Cool you say? Well, sort of. The reason this is not done more often is because of the wiring differences. Some big changes need to be done. The two major sticking points are vehicle speed sensor and electronic load detector. These require more than just a couple of wires for the conversion to work. The 88-91 Civic style ZC is a direct bolt in to the 88-91 Civics and CRXs. You can bolt the ZC to the stock transmission easily too. You just need to make sure you have the right clutch and flywheel combo. The easy way is to match the pair to what ever year tranny you use. Electrically the ZC is identical to the Si with the exception of the distributor wiring.

If you decide to use the Civic ZC tranny with your Civic ZC engine, get the Civic ZC intermediate shaft because there is no US counterpart to this part. The 86-89 Integra intermediate shaft will not fit, and I don't care what your friend heard or said.

The 3rd Generation ZCs

Is there such a thing?

After 1992 in some Civics and a few 1994 and up Integra’s still come with the odd model: the DOHC ZC. These ZCs look like the Civic style ZCs from 88-91 but have the later style electronics. There are even more Integra and Domani models with SOHC ZC engines. There is not a lot of interest in these (SOHC or DOHC) engines I am afraid, because the B-series VTEC motors bolt right in the 92 up Civics. The ZC does make a good swap in the lowly, underpowered CX or VX, but only with the EX, Si or ZC transmission, otherwise I don't recommend them. But for the sake of argument and to impress you with our large volume of trivial Honda knowledge, let's go ahead discuss them.

To recognize thie 3rd generation DOHC ZC engine, just look for the black valve cover and 92 up grey colored electrical connectors. Some of the other visual clues are:

* a plug in the end of the exhaust cam, like the B-series motors
* two studs sticking up from the driver's side engine bracket poking out of the timing belt cover
* and no writing on the top of the intake manifold, just the three raised bars on the casting like all the other 92-95 Civic engines.

What do they fit?

Well, they will fit the 92-2000 Civics or the 94 up Integra... not that anyone would want to put it in an Integra. Again, this engine bolts to the stock transmission and the Si or EX trannys make for a decent combo. But if you decide to use the 92 up ZC tranny with your 92 up ZC engine, get the 92 up Civic ZC intermediate shaft too because again, there is no US counterpart to this part. Although it is different from the 88-91 style, it is interchangeable.
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Nice post! Now i'm curious if the OP read this, if its 92-95 he could be doin the P28 option as stated above or the P08
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