is skipping gears bad for tranny
08-01-2004, 07:56 PM
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Re: (B2FiNiTY)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B2FiNiTY »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you read what I posted before, you would now realize that it is a long term problem. Keyword, LONG TERM. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Then driving your car at all is also a long term problem heh...
**** wears thats life. Skipping gears like first to third wont hurt anything or make anything wear out much faster.
I sometimes even skip from third to fifth.
But thats downshifting. Now upshifting, yea that puts a bit more stress and strain, but as long as your not upshifting to readline it wont hurt much. Hell, what do you think your auto tranny does when you go to pass someone on the highway and "punch it"?
I can see where your going about the different speed thing, but once its in gear the syncros have already done their job and the rest is up to the clutch and the engine.
If you can't have fun then don't drive, take the bus or carpool..
Then driving your car at all is also a long term problem heh...
**** wears thats life. Skipping gears like first to third wont hurt anything or make anything wear out much faster.
I sometimes even skip from third to fifth.
But thats downshifting. Now upshifting, yea that puts a bit more stress and strain, but as long as your not upshifting to readline it wont hurt much. Hell, what do you think your auto tranny does when you go to pass someone on the highway and "punch it"?
I can see where your going about the different speed thing, but once its in gear the syncros have already done their job and the rest is up to the clutch and the engine.
If you can't have fun then don't drive, take the bus or carpool..
08-01-2004, 08:00 PM
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I just spend 5 minutes of my day reading this.... and i still don't think that it can hurt the car.... how will going from 4k in first to 2k in second hurt the car.... wouldn't it save the clutch.... well since you save a shift... and i am not talking about driving hard... just daily driving
08-01-2004, 08:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Djaric »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Then driving your car at all is also a long term problem heh...
**** wears thats life. Skipping gears like first to third wont hurt anything or make anything wear out much faster.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, driving your car is leading to long term problems. We all know that it will break down sooner or later. But by skipping gears when the car was not designed to do so, WILL cause quicker wear and tear on the tranny. That is a FACT.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Djaric »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Hell, what do you think your auto tranny does when you go to pass someone on the highway and "punch it"?
I can see where your going about the different speed thing, but once its in gear the syncros have already done their job and the rest is up to the clutch and the engine.
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The auto tranny waits till the syncros mesh and everything is "syncronized" then shifts. When it is in gear, and you shift, things have to move in order for it to shift. The wear happens when you change gears back and forth. More so when you skip gears.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Djaric »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If you can't have fun then don't drive, take the bus or carpool..
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I don't get that at all. You can still have fun in my eyes without having to spend money on expensive repairs down the road.
Then driving your car at all is also a long term problem heh...
**** wears thats life. Skipping gears like first to third wont hurt anything or make anything wear out much faster.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, driving your car is leading to long term problems. We all know that it will break down sooner or later. But by skipping gears when the car was not designed to do so, WILL cause quicker wear and tear on the tranny. That is a FACT.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Djaric »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Hell, what do you think your auto tranny does when you go to pass someone on the highway and "punch it"?
I can see where your going about the different speed thing, but once its in gear the syncros have already done their job and the rest is up to the clutch and the engine.
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The auto tranny waits till the syncros mesh and everything is "syncronized" then shifts. When it is in gear, and you shift, things have to move in order for it to shift. The wear happens when you change gears back and forth. More so when you skip gears.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Djaric »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If you can't have fun then don't drive, take the bus or carpool..
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I don't get that at all. You can still have fun in my eyes without having to spend money on expensive repairs down the road.
08-01-2004, 08:10 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civic_speed99 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just spend 5 minutes of my day reading this.... and i still don't think that it can hurt the car.... how will going from 4k in first to 2k in second hurt the car.... wouldn't it save the clutch.... well since you save a shift... and i am not talking about driving hard... just daily driving</TD></TR></TABLE>
The topic is about shifting from 1st to 3rd and 3rd to 5th etc.
Not "regular" driving.
The topic is about shifting from 1st to 3rd and 3rd to 5th etc.
Not "regular" driving.
08-01-2004, 08:11 PM
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letting your revs drop too low causes "lugging" not dieseling just some info
Way back in ancient times, like in the 80s, there was a thing called the "gas guzzler tax". In order to get better mileage and avoid this tax, Corvettes used a system where if you only pushed the accelerator lightly then when shifting from 1st to 2nd the shifter actually slid into 4th. I cant imagine that if this was terrible for the car that Chevy wouldve designed them this way
Way back in ancient times, like in the 80s, there was a thing called the "gas guzzler tax". In order to get better mileage and avoid this tax, Corvettes used a system where if you only pushed the accelerator lightly then when shifting from 1st to 2nd the shifter actually slid into 4th. I cant imagine that if this was terrible for the car that Chevy wouldve designed them this way
08-01-2004, 08:17 PM
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All 6spd vettes and f-bodies have that. It's called CAGS, and it makes you shift from 1st into 4th if the accelerator is depressed lightly. It is for the "gas guzzler tax" and it(CAGS) can be easily deleted.
08-01-2004, 08:23 PM
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Yeah if you fly thru a gear like 1 to 3 you will beet the living **** out of second synchro. not a good idea, or not a good idea to downshift the same way. Go thru each gear otherwise me and mad scientist will have to rip apart the tranny and replace all the synchros you fried, ask any real racer...... lol, lmao.
08-01-2004, 08:33 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by meccA’s eg6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
maybe you redlined 1st to cause you had to beat the guy next to u to merge...and after u redlined u just wanted to cruise in third...and u dont want it in 2nd gear cause teh revs will still be high so you throw it into 3rd</TD></TR></TABLE>
Honestly, I've never really HAD TO redline first, not unless I was... lets say... driving like a jackass.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2thousandcivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
he must have his reasons..
i skip gears all the time, 2nd to 4th, and i downshift to save my *** and my brakes when going through twisties 3rd to 2nd all the time, and when im really hard on the brakes i go 4th to 2nd, good method of slowing down, i've never had a problem with doing this -in the 3 hondas that ive owned- ..no premature clutch wear, no odd flywheel wear, no transmission problems
for those that dont know or dont have experience, WHY post?</TD></TR></TABLE>
He was talking about going up
not down shifting.
maybe you redlined 1st to cause you had to beat the guy next to u to merge...and after u redlined u just wanted to cruise in third...and u dont want it in 2nd gear cause teh revs will still be high so you throw it into 3rd</TD></TR></TABLE>
Honestly, I've never really HAD TO redline first, not unless I was... lets say... driving like a jackass.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2thousandcivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
he must have his reasons..
i skip gears all the time, 2nd to 4th, and i downshift to save my *** and my brakes when going through twisties 3rd to 2nd all the time, and when im really hard on the brakes i go 4th to 2nd, good method of slowing down, i've never had a problem with doing this -in the 3 hondas that ive owned- ..no premature clutch wear, no odd flywheel wear, no transmission problems
for those that dont know or dont have experience, WHY post?</TD></TR></TABLE>
He was talking about going up
not down shifting.
08-01-2004, 08:34 PM
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Re: (quik sol)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quik sol »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BOTTOM LINE IT WON'T HURT YOUR CAR.</TD></TR></TABLE>
really? what you got dog gears or something, lol. if not save up for new tranny or new syncros possibly with new gears.
really? what you got dog gears or something, lol. if not save up for new tranny or new syncros possibly with new gears.
08-01-2004, 08:35 PM
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Re: (B2FiNiTY)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B2FiNiTY »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The topic is about shifting from 1st to 3rd and 3rd to 5th etc.
Not "regular" driving. </TD></TR></TABLE>
sorry... i mean from that in 1st to 3rd...
i skip 4th alot... because usally i am not lookin for that extra little bit of acceleration when i am driving normaly
The topic is about shifting from 1st to 3rd and 3rd to 5th etc.
Not "regular" driving.
</TD></TR></TABLE>sorry... i mean from that in 1st to 3rd...
i skip 4th alot... because usally i am not lookin for that extra little bit of acceleration when i am driving normaly
08-01-2004, 08:49 PM
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I didn't know I was back in school 
.. and yes.. i have.. im a master transmission specialist ASE cert for 6 years already and yes for honda, and GM , and ford
.. and yes.. i have.. im a master transmission specialist ASE cert for 6 years already and yes for honda, and GM , and ford
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Re: is skipping gears bad for tranny (B2FiNiTY)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B2FiNiTY »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would avoid skipping gears ESPECIALLY if you do high rpm shifting.
Skipping gears essentially makes your syncros work that much harder, to spin that much faster to mesh up to the speed of the lower gear. If anything, go to 2nd, then go to 3rd. If you want to be lazy, drive an automatic that day. </TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B2FiNiTY »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Then please educate us what happens when you skips gears
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syncros do not work harder by skipping gears.. the only downfall in skipping gear is putting too much load on the motor causing in RPM drop, the load im talking about is gear length, now about the syncros meshing to open "gates" in the gears, but the speed of which rpm the syncro meshed to open a gate up is where grinding happends, like 10k rpm on a single syncro gear," not fast enough to open a gate" meaning the more syncros you have per gear and in the higher the rpm the faster is can open a gate
Skipping gears essentially makes your syncros work that much harder, to spin that much faster to mesh up to the speed of the lower gear. If anything, go to 2nd, then go to 3rd. If you want to be lazy, drive an automatic that day. </TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B2FiNiTY »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Then please educate us what happens when you skips gears
</TD></TR></TABLE>syncros do not work harder by skipping gears.. the only downfall in skipping gear is putting too much load on the motor causing in RPM drop, the load im talking about is gear length, now about the syncros meshing to open "gates" in the gears, but the speed of which rpm the syncro meshed to open a gate up is where grinding happends, like 10k rpm on a single syncro gear," not fast enough to open a gate" meaning the more syncros you have per gear and in the higher the rpm the faster is can open a gate
08-01-2004, 09:11 PM
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Re: is skipping gears bad for tranny (HolyCow)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HolyCow »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how about skip 1st gear and start from 2nd?
cuz sometimes is hard to shift into 1st...</TD></TR></TABLE>
aslogn as you can move without stalling your car.. people i kno from back then .. they practiced driving a stick starting in 2nd gear because it causes them to learn how to slip the clutch and able to not do the famous JUMP and stall in first gear
cuz sometimes is hard to shift into 1st...</TD></TR></TABLE>
aslogn as you can move without stalling your car.. people i kno from back then .. they practiced driving a stick starting in 2nd gear because it causes them to learn how to slip the clutch and able to not do the famous JUMP and stall in first gear
08-01-2004, 09:43 PM
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Re: (B2FiNiTY)
i don't see why you just don't go through all your gears. i go through all the gears, but i go through them quick to get into 5th gear faster. just staying a few seconds in each gear.
08-01-2004, 10:30 PM
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Re: is skipping gears bad for tranny (ShowTymers619)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ShowTymers619 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
syncros do not work harder by skipping gears.. the only downfall in skipping gear is putting too much load on the motor causing in RPM drop, the load im talking about is gear length, now about the syncros meshing to open "gates" in the gears, but the speed of which rpm the syncro meshed to open a gate up is where grinding happends, like 10k rpm on a single syncro gear," not fast enough to open a gate" meaning the more syncros you have per gear and in the higher the rpm the faster is can open a gate</TD></TR></TABLE>
Okaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy
I will still keep on saying that's it bad because it is. No point taken. seriously when I looked thru a cut tranny when you try shift from 1st to second you have to mesh thru 2nd syncro to get to third, don't you. And even if that doesn't affect it, it will screw up your third gear synchro no matter what because you don't give tranny enough time to slow down when you shift into third.
This is fucken dumb, I'm going to go find a way to prove it to you.
Oh yeah I didn't know that honda had thier own ASE certification.
syncros do not work harder by skipping gears.. the only downfall in skipping gear is putting too much load on the motor causing in RPM drop, the load im talking about is gear length, now about the syncros meshing to open "gates" in the gears, but the speed of which rpm the syncro meshed to open a gate up is where grinding happends, like 10k rpm on a single syncro gear," not fast enough to open a gate" meaning the more syncros you have per gear and in the higher the rpm the faster is can open a gate</TD></TR></TABLE>
Okaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy
I will still keep on saying that's it bad because it is. No point taken. seriously when I looked thru a cut tranny when you try shift from 1st to second you have to mesh thru 2nd syncro to get to third, don't you. And even if that doesn't affect it, it will screw up your third gear synchro no matter what because you don't give tranny enough time to slow down when you shift into third.
This is fucken dumb, I'm going to go find a way to prove it to you.
Oh yeah I didn't know that honda had thier own ASE certification.