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Old 11-20-2003, 11:42 PM   #1
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Default To settle the H22 Vs B Series Weight Arguement I bring you this... (pics)

So I am sitting here tonight looking around HT and talking in PM to people about my built H22 I just posted into FI and Prelude... and I come across yet another B VS H arguement... and people start talking about all this weight BS again... the H series I hear rumours of anywhere from 85-125lb heavier then a B swap.

Here are some pics to let everyone with a B loose one of their points. (Not that I am against the B... the B is the ****... but I love the H as well and I have a H and I am tired of the weight argument)

I own a shop, and at the moment we are building several motors. So here I bring you some good ****.

All 3 Blocks are built with stock crank, forged rods, forged pistons, and iron sleeves done by benson (H22, D16) and darton (B16). I have a bensen'd B16 here as well but its already made the voyage to the engine stand so its not getting weighed. The only thing that is not fair in these pics is that the D has the oil pan on it... wasnt gonna take it off just for this BS.

H = 123lb short block
B = 104lb short block
D = 100lb short block + oil pan

So with totaly fair comparisons... the H is 19lb heavier in the short block.

NOW lets move on... the big word that I always hear is that its the H TRANS IS SOOOO HEAVY!!! Lets take a little peak here...

H trans = 96lb
B trans = 90lb

OK.. thats 6 lb... so we have a 25lb weight increase so far with the H22.

I will post here within a day or two as I weigh the assembled cylinder heads, as the H head is definatly heavier... but I would guess 10 lb heavier.

As for the rest of the crap... who cares. Intake manifolds are light for any motor and come in different flavors, same with headers and all that BS. Accessories are up to the owner of the car. Everything else hardly applies... flywheels are up to the user, axles, clutch, aluminum or steel oilpans, etc etc all this **** is up to the owner of the car so that crap doesnt need to be part of the comparison.

So what it comes down to is unless that H head is REALLY that much heavier... we are talking about

35 LB INCREASE!! Thats about how much weight off my *** I need to loose so I would be a hypocrite to be hard on the H.

OH YEA... you might want to see this yourself... here you go:

D16 Block:
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B16 Block:
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H22 Block:
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B16 Trans:
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H22 Trans:
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BTW just for good comparisons I will weigh both setups completely assembled with trans on and EVERYTHING except the wiring harness with the swaps ready to go into the car. This will be the total weight factor after all the ****.
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good job.
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GOOD INFO BRO. ya i guess u were bored tho. But im tired of seeing the arguments too.
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about time someone did this.
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not bored, just motivated. only took a few min all the stuff is just sitting in the shop.
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about time someone did this.
hell yeah !
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good sh*t man.
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i just remember that it takes 2 strong people to lift a full bseries swap and 3 for a Hseries. Its true its just a couple of pounds here and there but all that stuff is gonna add up.
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i just remember that it takes 2 strong people to lift a full bseries swap and 3 for a Hseries. Its true its just a couple of pounds here and there but all that stuff is gonna add up.
yup and 2 "Naturally Aspirated" people to pickup D series

The only i sold my H series was cause i was getting an excellent deal on a B series GSR swap, and was short on money to buy the mounts, axels etc. I also was selling the H more then i paid for it.
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Nice info. I'm glad someone finally set the record straight.
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Good write up, I hear it 24/7 aout the weight difference this will shut a few up. Unfortunitly there will still be arguments about this anyway

Good job man..
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finally. good job. lets hope every1 will shut tha hell up about tha weight difference now.
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yeah i would like to know what the difference of all three assembled.
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great info. i wish i had all those things just lying around to be weighed.
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good job man Definantely less weight than everyone expected i'm sure. Its still 35lbs though. That kind of stuff can add up. Still not that bad though
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charles you should throw a open deck h22a(97-up) that has been sleeved i bet it is lighter by a few more pounds than its closed deck h22a(92-96) brother
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wow you got clean motor's
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good info tired of people saying my h22 hatch isnt going to be that fast because its a "heavy engine"
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good info.. I'll sacrafice 35 lbs for 30+ extra ft/lbs of torque..
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good info.. I'll sacrafice 35 lbs for 30+ extra ft/lbs of torque..
dont forget with a CF hood, and light weight FlyWheel,,,,, the car will be equal if not less than the B series.
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you should try to get the weight of a b18 short block, since that's what a lot of people seem to be running.
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sweet
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Good clarification. I've never doubted h22 civics in straight line racing. My doubts surface when the topic switches to autocrossing.
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Good info
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