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10-12-2005, 10:07 AM
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i was just wondering which shifter had the shortest throw, as well as not lowering the height of the shifter to much if AT ALL.
i have a skunk2 **** in my EM1 and just wanted to shorten the throws, and have a more solid feel. i just oredered some ES bushings as well.
i searched and couldnt really find anything about which shifter had the shortest throw
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i have a skunk2 **** in my EM1 and just wanted to shorten the throws, and have a more solid feel. i just oredered some ES bushings as well.
i searched and couldnt really find anything about which shifter had the shortest throw
TIA
10-12-2005, 10:40 AM
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Re: SEARCHED shortest throw shifter (ill3galdr1v3r)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ill3galdr1v3r »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was just wondering which shifter had the shortest throw, as well as not lowering the height of the shifter to much if AT ALL.
</TD></TR></TABLE>You will sacrifice some height for shorter throw, no getting around this. I use a skunk2 with about 2" chopped off the top, works great for me.
</TD></TR></TABLE>You will sacrifice some height for shorter throw, no getting around this. I use a skunk2 with about 2" chopped off the top, works great for me.
10-12-2005, 12:05 PM
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Re: SEARCHED shortest throw shifter (ill3galdr1v3r)
ok so now my choices are going to be between B&M and SKUNK2...
what are your thoughts on the JDM ITR shifter? does it have short throws? if the ITR shifter reduces shift throw, i may just go with it because i can get one cheaper than the B&M or the SKUNK.
thanks to everyone for helping out. im going to be purchasing my shifter tonight
what are your thoughts on the JDM ITR shifter? does it have short throws? if the ITR shifter reduces shift throw, i may just go with it because i can get one cheaper than the B&M or the SKUNK.
thanks to everyone for helping out. im going to be purchasing my shifter tonight
10-12-2005, 12:07 PM
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Re: SEARCHED shortest throw shifter (ill3galdr1v3r)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ill3galdr1v3r »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> and have a more solid feel. i just oredered some ES bushings as well.TIA</TD></TR></TABLE>
The ES bushing will take care of that.
The ES bushing will take care of that.
10-12-2005, 12:40 PM
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Re: SEARCHED shortest throw shifter (ill3galdr1v3r)
i have a 11$ ebay shifter, with 3" hacked off of it, urethane bushings and a weighted momo ****. bad ***.
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Re: SEARCHED shortest throw shifter (SE7EN3S)
I definatley think the b&m has the shortest throw, I have one in my 93 hatch and it seems the shortest throw out of all my buddies
10-12-2005, 12:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbotime »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just so the poster knows-
a shorter throw isnt always better
shorter throw = shorter synchro life</TD></TR></TABLE>
i definately think this is true, my tranny never grinded before and now it is starting to grind
a shorter throw isnt always better
shorter throw = shorter synchro life</TD></TR></TABLE>
i definately think this is true, my tranny never grinded before and now it is starting to grind
10-12-2005, 01:07 PM
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Re: (turbotime)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbotime »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just so the poster knows-
a shorter throw isnt always better
shorter throw = shorter synchro life</TD></TR></TABLE>
i can see this to be true if the clutch was not fully engaged maybe? or you try to shift too fast..
but if you were to rev-match and not try to slam every gear would that still be true?
good thing to think about though
a shorter throw isnt always better
shorter throw = shorter synchro life</TD></TR></TABLE>
i can see this to be true if the clutch was not fully engaged maybe? or you try to shift too fast..
but if you were to rev-match and not try to slam every gear would that still be true?
good thing to think about though
10-12-2005, 01:13 PM
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im not sure the logistics of it.
I think honda synchros are matched to the shift throw of the OEM shifter and they combine to "SYNC". When you throw a shorter shifter in there (shorter throw) your forcing the synchros to work harder, and sync faster, making them go bad (grind) sooner.
Just like turbocharging an engine
it may go faster, but it wasnt meant to, so itll wear out sooner
or something like that, im sure some guru will post the logisitics
I think honda synchros are matched to the shift throw of the OEM shifter and they combine to "SYNC". When you throw a shorter shifter in there (shorter throw) your forcing the synchros to work harder, and sync faster, making them go bad (grind) sooner.
Just like turbocharging an engine
it may go faster, but it wasnt meant to, so itll wear out sooneror something like that, im sure some guru will post the logisitics
10-12-2005, 02:34 PM
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my buddie has a b&m in his car and i dont like it. there is such a think as too short of a throw. i thin that the skunk 2 dual bend feels the best. imo.
10-12-2005, 03:28 PM
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realize a short shifter only changes the distance needed to move the shift linkage. the distance the shift linkage actually moves goes unchanged no matter what shift lever is used. what does happen other than shorter throw is more force is needed to move the shift linkage/change gears because the folcrom of the shifter has changed.
i would suspect the association between short shifters and grinding gears are usually because those with short shifters usually abuse their tranny, have high miles or the driver doesn't adjust well to the shorter shifter lever and shifts prematurely too late or too forceful in respect to clutch engagement...
i would suspect the association between short shifters and grinding gears are usually because those with short shifters usually abuse their tranny, have high miles or the driver doesn't adjust well to the shorter shifter lever and shifts prematurely too late or too forceful in respect to clutch engagement...
10-12-2005, 03:43 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JETSPD1477 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">realize a short shifter only changes the distance needed to move the shift linkage. the distance the shift linkage actually moves goes unchanged no matter what shift lever is used. what does happen other than shorter throw is more force is needed to move the shift linkage/change gears because the folcrom of the shifter has changed.
i would suspect the association between short shifters and grinding gears are usually because those with short shifters usually abuse their tranny, have high miles or the driver doesn't adjust well to the shorter shifter lever and shifts prematurely too late or too forceful in respect to clutch engagement... </TD></TR></TABLE>
I completely agree, just because the distance between each gears engaugement becomes shorter shouldn't make a tranny grind. Short shifters don't expletive up trannies, bad drivers expletive up trannies.
As to the orginal poster, I think it is personal preference. You should either guess which one your gonna want or find a couple people with both shifters and see if they will let you drive their car to see how you like each one.
Personally I would go with B&M only because they have been around for a long time and have so much R&D into all their products that I know it is going to be a quality product.
i would suspect the association between short shifters and grinding gears are usually because those with short shifters usually abuse their tranny, have high miles or the driver doesn't adjust well to the shorter shifter lever and shifts prematurely too late or too forceful in respect to clutch engagement... </TD></TR></TABLE>
I completely agree, just because the distance between each gears engaugement becomes shorter shouldn't make a tranny grind. Short shifters don't expletive up trannies, bad drivers expletive up trannies.
As to the orginal poster, I think it is personal preference. You should either guess which one your gonna want or find a couple people with both shifters and see if they will let you drive their car to see how you like each one.
Personally I would go with B&M only because they have been around for a long time and have so much R&D into all their products that I know it is going to be a quality product.
10-12-2005, 08:44 PM
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i dont think it has to do with how much the shift linkage moves.
It has to do with how fast your FORCING the tranny to shift
i just have known short shifters to mess up synchros in the long run, regardless of how good a driver you are
It has to do with how fast your FORCING the tranny to shift
i just have known short shifters to mess up synchros in the long run, regardless of how good a driver you are
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