H8TER18SiR

am i able to convert my car to a rhd in florida and if so how do i register it

Draggin99Si

the car should already be registered in the first place

H8TER18SiR

it is registerd but am i able to legally convert it

CaliDC5

Keep your old vins to show your parts arent stilen. Thier gonna want paper work for everything!!!

jbpnoman

RHD swaps involve replacing the firewall. Replacing the firewall involves ******* with the firewall VIN stamps. ******* with VIN stamps is illegal.

Eddie

Will never understand doing rhd swaps.







Inb4 itsmadtytjdmdoe

doood

iTrader: (1)

in CA there's a process you can go through with the CHP to have them inspect everything and issue new VINS. my friend is going through it right now and it's a huge pain in the ***.

if CA allows it i'm sure other states do as well

jbpnoman

I'm not sure how that plays with Federal law, and OP doesn't live in CA, so it's a moot point anyway. OP, if you actually care about being legal, contact your local PD, talk to the Sgt who handles the inspection stations, and see what's up. No one here is going to go over complex legalese for you.

doctorake

On my phone so i can not dig up the information but i have posted it before on here. Messing with vins is not actually illegal. It is illegal to tamper vins for fraudulant purposes.

sleepyaccord96

LOL. in georgia and florida rhd conversion is as legal as buying brocolli at a food store.

Cut your firewall out and weld in the rhd conversion firewall and call it a day. remove or just leave the japanese vin on it. Keep your current vin tag off your original dash and if anything ever came up you just explain that the dash was replaced

as long as you are insured and tagged and registered there is nothing illegal about it in ga or fla.

jbpnoman

This is a Federal law. I don't give two ***** what state you live in - you still live in the United States, and are subject to Federal laws. According to this statute alone, doing the swap isn't illegal, but selling, scrapping, or even owning said VIN swapped car is a Federal crime.

Do you really want to go toe to toe with me on the law?

doctorake

http://www.boss302.com/legal.htm

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

Would love to see one of these in a drive thru.

doctorake

Buddy ised to jave an old subaru mail wagon and he loved messing with drivethrews.


Law iswritten one way. Cases show they are not going after you unless you are being fradulant or deceptive. No prosecutor is going after an rhd swap.

sleepyaccord96

YES I DO



but there is no swapped vin buddy.

a jdm vin number won't even register in a computer IN the USA.

if a officer saw a japanese vin code it could not be considered tampering with vin because it simply isn't a VALID VIN in america

Why you may ask?

because a dash is simply a car part, a firewall is a replaceable car part. who cares if it has a vital number on it such as a vin code it would never matter because it is a JAPANESE vin number which i believe are NOT 17 digits!

IF you say own a 96 ex civic 2 door, and you install a dash from a 00 si and you LEAVE the 00 si vin tag on the dash...now we are talkin fishy business which all in all, you MAY or MAY NOT have stolen that dash but things could get heavy quick.

Back on topic though.. Installing japanese parts (wheels, door handles, DASHBOARD, FIREWALL) is not illegal by any means. No one here is tampering with USA american vin numbers. we are simply purchasing parts and installing them, NOT swapping vins and playing around with vins.

sleepyaccord96

thank you....

jbpnoman

You truly are stupid, aren't you? You are removing one part, with the VIN stamp affixed to it, and replacing it with another part that has a different (and incorrect) VIN stamp affixed to it. It not being "valid" doesn't make it any different than what it is. You are removing the part that the VIN is attached to, thus indirectly removing the VIN. That is the definition of tampering. I you read the legal text I sourced and quoted, and were capable of intellectual thought past that of a 9th grader, you would understand this.

Yes, doctorake is correct in that the people being convicted are those who sell their cars, but the law clearly reads that buying, selling, and owning the vehicle with a swapped VIN plate is illegal. If you take two seconds to think about it, you would realize why these people are only catching charges when they try to sell the car - because the government has had no reason to look into it before that point. With the exception of very few locales, a traffic violation is not going to get an officer to check your VIN. Driving a RHD car in and of itself is not illegal, nor is it probably cause in most jurisdictions, thus they can't pull you over "just to check your VIN".

Understanding the law requires more intellect than you seem to have. Doctorake is correct in the enforcement of the laws, and I have already explained that. Thank him all you want - his point is only serving to strengthen mine.

doctorake

Like I was saying though, Law does not matter how it is written, it is all about the case law which clearly shows that it only matters if deceptive practices are used. The 2nd amendment is a good example of this, people think it says different things but all that matters is case law surrounding it.

enforcement is actually an entirely different thing.

Another note that no one is even beginning to bring up is what is an actual VIN stamp? I have not even bothered to research this but if it includes any of the VIN stickers on bumpers, VIN plates on motors/trans, then swapping any part of a car would be a federal crime according to what you are saying. Of course looking at the case law it shows that they have convicted people of messing with both of those so thusly they could be considered VIN stamps as well.

The real bottom line is unless you are being deceptive, it is legal to change out a VIN stamp/sticker/plate, based on previous case law.

jbpnoman

There are a couple of case studies on the page you linked, doctorake, that do not include any attempt at deception. The laws apply to the VIN stamps that are federally required, which, for the EJ chassis, only includes the stamp on the firewall/dash area visible through the windshield. The rest are there for security and theft retrieval, and has been proven low in effectiveness.

The fact of the matter is, by the letter of the law, it is illegal. Actually enforcing that law, specifically the possession part, is next to impossible, so you can "get away" with it quite easily. The question posed was whether or not it was illegal, not if you can get away with it. If you do this, never expect to sell the car - that's when you'll get caught. Would you catch the full sentence? No, unless you really showed your ***.

sleepyaccord96

^ complete moron....

go to the popo academy and become a cop why don't ya...


Go tell the 50k people in america who own rhd swapped cars and tell them this they will laugh in your face... you are a complete idiot man.

quoting from a government web page....quoting from a FSM, "you have tuning software on hand" <---- shows me your a book smart fool with no sense. You really make me laugh man...

jbpnoman

So, are you not willing to accept legal texts and case law, or are you just too mentally deficient to understand them? 50,000 people in America with RHD converted cars? Care to cite that, or are you just pulling numbers out of your ***? You somehow know that I've never been through legal training?

Yep, you know nothing about me, and you're another immature car owner who thinks they know everything about the law. Let me know when you're anywhere near doctorake or my levels.

sleepyaccord96

LOL, maybe consider being a comedian

jbpnoman

Maybe consider going back to school and learning how to use more than .5% of your brain matter.

JuggerNaut-CTR

doctorake

Lock this thread, nothing worse then generally helpful members bickering.

I think we have our own opinions on this and no one will change anyone's mind.