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Old 02-21-2005, 08:23 PM
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Default Replace Rear Wheel Bearing or Get Rear Disk Brake Conversion?

hey guys,

i would just like to get your guys opinons and suggest on this. I've been driving around on this bad rear wheel bearing on my 96 dx hatch and now its getting worse so i would like to change it. i went to a shop to see how much it would cost to get it fix and he estimated it to be like $250. Then i called my friend that works at honda to see how much he can get me a rear wheel bearing for and he said for like $175, then my friend and i can probably do the labor.

Would it be worth replacing the wheel bearing or just get a used rear disk brake and conver it? if i were to do the rear disk brake conversion would it cost a lot more then just replacing the wheel bearing. Also is the propo valve and MC really nessecsary for the rear brake conversion?

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rear brakes. they could be had for about 200-250.
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Default Re: Replace Rear Wheel Bearing or Get Rear Disk Brake Conversion? (JDM B16 EK)

i had a rear bearing go bad on my '00 coupe. i bought the bearing from autozone for about $90 and replaced it in about 2 hours. it would've been 1, but it was a bitch loosening the 32mm nut. anyway, just wanted to throw that out. btw, i have discs in the rear already, dunno if that makes a difference in the method of replacing the wheel bearing or not.
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Default Re: Replace Rear Wheel Bearing or Get Rear Disk Brake Conversion? (=Gameover=)

[<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by =Gameover= &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">rear brakes. they could be had for about 200-250.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, i would like to get the rear disk brakes conversion because replacing the wheel bearing would be just as much.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sik &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i had a rear bearing go bad on my '00 coupe. i bought the bearing from autozone for about $90 and replaced it in about 2 hours. it would've been 1, but it was a bitch loosening the 32mm nut. anyway, just wanted to throw that out. btw, i have discs in the rear already, dunno if that makes a difference in the method of replacing the wheel bearing or not. </TD></TR></TABLE>
does anyone know how the quality of the autozone to the oem (i know oem will alwasy be better, but just want to see if i can save some money).
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Default You got to love 4 wheel disc brakes...

2005.2.21 (Night)

I would opt for the rear wheel disc brake conversion from a 94~97 Integra. Bolts COMPLETELY in, no mods (In this case though, for a hatchback, you may have to modify the side brake lines to be shorter... don't do this until you check length and fitment first). I got a set for my Civic for roughly $300, then did the work to install it myself in about 5 hours.

Also, I'm using the STOCK brake master cylinder and proportioning valve, no problems. However, the brake biasing (feel) is more towards the rear initially, but I found that to be OK for me. It's great if you want to tail to slide a bit more earlier through a late brake turn situation, gets a little more rotation to come out of the front-wheel drive car (again, in my opinion, everyone brakes differently... I've been driving a 95 240sx/Silvia SE around, went back to my Honda!). But, there are master cylinder kits from companies like Wilwood for this conversion if I remember right...

Anyways, on the plus side, get the sway bar links with the set, should be on the lower control arms anyway, and you can bolt up Integra sway bars! Don't go over 22mm in the rear, I heard that you can rip out the rear subframe on Civics with bars thicker than 22mm. Oh, and also, you'll have 2 newer wheel bearings... problem solved!

Good luck!
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Default Re: You got to love 4 wheel disc brakes... (OptionMan)

you can find the rear disk conversion cheaper than 300, look around H-T or local Junk yards.
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Default Re: You got to love 4 wheel disc brakes... (sinister2c)

If i were you I would just swap the disk... I have set I can sell for like 250-300 shipped from an 98 integra.. Everything ready to go ( ebrake cables, brake lines, and complete rear trailing arms) you dont NEED the mc prop valve and booster but alot just get it becuase its whats recomended.. I have full integra front and rear I could sell for lik 500 shipped with the booster, mc, and prop valve... Let me know if any of this interest you
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Default Re: You got to love 4 wheel disc brakes... (Ls_V_TurboSi)

Originally Posted by 94eg!
I have done the rear disc swap on my 94 civic cx. If you buy your parts used you will have to replace the rotors, pads, pad retaining springs & guides, and clean and re-lube the caliper guide pins (just letting you know since it may seem the only thing you have to buy is the swap). I bought mine from here
IMPORT AUTO SALVAGE ANDALE GALLERY

They got the parts here in a week (shipping is super cheap), and after all the above servicing, worked great. The best part is that the rear disc swap comes with the integra 4040 (disc brake) proportioning valve (difficult to install since you can't switch the mounting brackets with the civic one). Plus, import auto salvage has the best customer service ever. If you have any problems just e-mail them

Costs:
Rear disc swap---------------$270 shipped from http://www.importautosalvage.com (with 4040 valve)
Front disc swap---------------$75 + shipping from http://www.hmotorsonline.com (as advertised)
New Brembo Rotors----------$20-$30 each at http://www.nopi.com (oem replacements)
New Axiss Ultimate Pads-----$20-$30 a pair at http://www.nopi.com
New caliper hardware--------$20 at autozone
Disc Brake Lube--------------$1 per packet at autozone (2 needed)
Brake Fluid--------------------$5 at autozone (get big bottle)
10mm Flare nut wrench------$3 at pep boys (a must for brake line nuts)
10 ft small clear tube---------$2 at home depot (cut into 4 pieces for bleeding brakes)
Brake Cleaner-----------------$2 at autozone (cleans off new rotors)

Options:
Engine paint -------------$5 at autozone (paint calipers after clean up)
wire cup brush-----------$5 at lowes (clean up rust on hubs and calipers)

Notes:
1. If your adding Integra front brakes, you will need the 1991 civic ex 4 door's brake master cylinder (15/16"), and it's a bolt on for 92-95 Civics(this is the only civic with integra calipers). If your car is 96-00 I don't know what MC will bolt on.
2. If your adding Civic EX front brakes, you will need the 93-95 civic EX 2 door's brake master cylinder (7/8"), and it's a bolt on for 92-95 civics (Civic EX calipers have a smaller piston than Integras). If your car is 96-00 civic, use the 99-00 Si MC.
3. For any 92-95 civic getting a rear disc swap, you will need the NON-ABS 40/40 proportioning valve from: 92-95 rear disc civic, 93+ rear disc del sol, or 90+ integra. If your car is 96-00 civic, you can use the prop valve from an 99-00 Si, or 96-00 hatch back (their all the same part number).
4. If you have a 96-00 civic, you must retain your stock rear LCAs & rear shocks because they are different.
5. Depending on what pads you use, follow the manufacturers break-in process.
6. You must bleed your brakes to remove all the air from your brake lines. Use the proper sequence in your helms manual because some cars are different than others. Do not follow the old "farthest to closest" method, because Honda brakes arn't setup that way.

Front Sway-Bar: requires you to separate the shift linkage. One unbolts from the transmission, and one unbolts underneath the shifter. Parts required for this addition are the LCA's w/ sway-bar hole (any civic, sol or teg w/ front sway), matching end-links, sway-bar mounting brackets, bushings, and nuts & bolts. I purchased the whole kit from Import Auto Salvage too for $99 + shipping.

Integra E-brake Cables: For 92-95 Civics, it can be tricky to mount the drivers side e-brake cables from the integra. I had to purchase a $2 body bolt (looks like a black bee hive with a washer) from lowes to mount one of the brackets under the car into an existing chassis drain hole. It's easiest (bolt-on) to get the e-brake cables from an ABS version of your chassis (2dr, 3dr, 4dr), but that isn't always an option. I don't know which cables to use for 96-00 civics (sorry).

Front Ball Joints: First make sure your new knuckles have good ball-joints before you install them (if they don't, replace them). Now, since your new front knuckles will be replacing the lower ball-joints, you don't have to be particularly careful separating them. The upper ball-joints & tie rod ball-joints, however, will be reused, so make sure whatever tool you use doesn't damage them. Pickle forks okay, but they tear the boot (cheap to replace boots though)... A Ball joint separator works best though. It seems, however, the last 3 times I rented checkers front end kit, the ball joint tool was missing the cup that sits on the ball-joints stud. This led to the destruction of two of my ball joint studs making it impossible to get the suspension back together. Also be extra careful not to damage the castle nuts with the separator either. This will happen if the separator is resting on the nut instead of the stud (the nut should be screwed on far enough to keep the separator from sliding off the stud, but should not receive direct pressure). For an awesome tip to separate the lower balljoint super easily, click here!

Sorry to be long winded, but I've had bad experiences with ball-joints

Rear LCA Bolts: I almost forgot... If you are removing the rear lower arms use a ton of pb blaster (available at wall-mart) on the lower shock mounting bolts, and let it soak as long as possible (some guys wait over night). When I went to remove the bolt that connects the shock to the LCA, it just snapped the head right off (the bolts rust to the inside of the bushings). This meant that I had to buy a new shock or find someone to cut the old arm off the shock (I tried 3 different places and no one would help). I opted for a set of koni yellows and all new bolts instead. If all the bolts come out fine, order some replacements for the more rusty ones from http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com and add a little anti-seize goo to the non threaded parts.
Link to original thread: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1036267
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM B16 EK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does anyone know how the quality of the autozone to the oem (i know oem will alwasy be better, but just want to see if i can save some money). </TD></TR></TABLE>

it's been 2 years, around 40,000 miles since i put it in, and it's been fine.
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Default Re: You got to love 4 wheel disc brakes... (eric.ws.anderson)

autozone bearings are fine, I've used them in 2 civic's and an accord so far w/ zero issues.
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Default Re: You got to love 4 wheel disc brakes... (DJ_SaNdOz)

Might as well get a rear disc conversion!
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Default Re: You got to love 4 wheel disc brakes... (JDMisGOOD)

http://www.hondaautomotivepart...UM%29

so if parts are $90 do it yourself, its really not that much work.
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Default Re: You got to love 4 wheel disc brakes... (doublejz)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by OptionMan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2005.2.21 (Night)

I would opt for the rear wheel disc brake conversion from a 94~97 Integra. Bolts COMPLETELY in, no mods (In this case though, for a hatchback, you may have to modify the side brake lines to be shorter... don't do this until you check length and fitment first). I got a set for my Civic for roughly $300, then did the work to install it myself in about 5 hours.

Good luck!
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how bout the 98-01 integra and 99-00 SI ones? are those direct swap too?
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it's been 2 years, around 40,000 miles since i put it in, and it's been fine.</TD></TR></TABLE>
okay awsome, but doublejz just posted a link for the oems for $90 also so i might as well get the OEM ones if i do replace them.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doublejz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://www.hondaautomotivepart...UM%29

so if parts are $90 do it yourself, its really not that much work.</TD></TR></TABLE>

$90 for the bearings and the shop is charing me $90 to depress and press the bearings in so it will come out to around $180. If i'm going to spending this much i might as well get the rear disk brake conversion.

anyone have one for under $200 in so cal?

and thanks for the help EVERYONE!


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so cal...you should find them for like $150-$200 depending on condition of the bushings and rotors.
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Default Re: You got to love 4 wheel disc brakes... (JDM B16 EK)

is there a way i can depress and press the wheel bearings myself without paying the shop $90 bucks to do it?
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Default Re: You got to love 4 wheel disc brakes... (JDM B16 EK)

You shouldn't have to press anything.

On my EG, you just remove the drum, 32mm nut, and the bearing/hub assembly pops right out.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by t0p_sh0tta &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You shouldn't have to press anything.

On my EG, you just remove the drum, 32mm nut, and the bearing/hub assembly pops right out. </TD></TR></TABLE>

oh really, someone told me you need a special tool to take out the out/in the bearing
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