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Old 04-03-2009, 02:49 PM   #1
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1999 Honda Civic Ex Sedan MT
115000K miles

I just got quoted for 1200 for a 'major tune up' by a local honda dealer here in sf.

I forgot exactly what was included but I heard him mentioning water pump, timing belt, spark plugs, rotors, etc.

I know for sure this is buttrape.....

For god sakes, my car is only worth about 4000 bux...Im not going to spend 1200 on a tuneup unless this is really the average cost for a 100k tuneup?

Does anyone know a good reliable shop in SF that can do the same work for less? Thanks guys. Btw, I live in downtown SF so theres no way I can DIY in the streets.
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the word tune-up gets tossed around in several ways.

minor tune-up would be like oil change (40), cap and rotor (40ish), spark plugs (25ish) new fuel filter (70ish). new wires arent really needed but they would be piece of mind (125)

water pump 70ish, timing belt 70ish

all those parts you would be looking to spend around 250-400 max. is that resoniable to you? keep in mind parts are normally marked up so 250 could really look like 500. dealer will definetly not install parts that you bring in. they make money off of parts and labor.

now labor might be another 500 or so. at least 3 hours to 5 hours of work. so thats 300-500 right there as well.

there might be other maint. items that are overlooked.. coolant flush, tranny flush, fuel cleaning service.

there are tons on info this site alone that will explain how to install these parts. its not that hard and you will have a better understanding of your car. get a bunch of friends together and go nuts! it should cost you 250 doing it this way instead of 1200. so your saving a grand. if someone told you to work on my car for a grand would you do it? i sure would. even on the low side if another shop posts sayign they will do it for 700ish. your still saving 500ish. would you work on my car for 500?...i sure would again
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1999 Honda Civic Ex Sedan MT
115000K miles

I just got quoted for 1200 for a 'major tune up' by a local honda dealer here in sf.

I forgot exactly what was included but I heard him mentioning water pump, timing belt, spark plugs, rotors, etc.

I know for sure this is buttrape.....

For god sakes, my car is only worth about 4000 bux...Im not going to spend 1200 on a tuneup unless this is really the average cost for a 100k tuneup?

Does anyone know a good reliable shop in SF that can do the same work for less? Thanks guys. Btw, I live in downtown SF so theres no way I can DIY in the streets.
Depends what the break down is. **** ill do it cheaper for you if you dont git the guts or knowledge to do it.

I NEED $
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Old 04-03-2009, 11:37 PM   #4
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Find a shop that will do it that will let you buy your own parts from autozone or something. parts $250 instead of $600, the labor will be about the same $400 i think, so about $650. i dont kno what kind of shops there are where u are but midas lets me bring my own parts in here in hawaii.
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shops make money off of parts. there is no more "free" tuning anymore. the only pure labor tuning is really alignments but even then you could sell parts..front end parts, camber/caster kits etc... think about it, if you hear a noise..it will need some sort of part to fix it, CEL on..it will need a part, no start condition will need another part to run again.

with this being said most shops do not install customer's parts. shops will get the part for cheaper and mark them up higher then what you can get them for. this is free money for shops and with you bringing in your own parts, shops will lose this free money.

most shops also have some sortof warranty on parts...one year..lifetime and such. shops will use this excuse saying that you bringing in your own parts will void the warranty blah blah blah.

another thing is lets say you bring in your own parts...have the tech install them. what happens when you brought in those ebay parts (to save a buck or two) and lets say your timing belt was cheaply made and breaks again 10k miles later. who are you going to blame? you going to blame the shop who installed the parts? you going to blame the faulty part? for this reason shops will void any warranty.

if you find a shop that will install your parts... great!! it is a cheaper option. just make sure you get some good parts and best of luck to you if anything was to happen
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And you don't think that the auto parts store doesn't mark parts up? I have a friend who works at O'Reilly and a Gates timing belt for an Integra GSR (B18C1) is something like $46 retail. Their cost is around $23. Honda's list price is $57.22, and Acura Automotive Parts (Majestic's sister site) has it for $47.92 plus shipping and handling. I'd like to see the Honda dealership argue why I would have to buy OEM parts from them and not Majestic if I had them do work on my car.
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I'd like to see the Honda dealership argue why I would have to buy OEM parts from them and not Majestic if I had them do work on my car.
because...
A. you void the warranty on the said part
B. It wouldnt be cosidered a good-known part.
C. if the part breaks.. we dont wnat you coming back to the dealership blaming us. your on your own..see A
D. doesnt apply here....but bringing in your own parts is a slap in the face to the tech. it is saying you are knowledgeable enough to diagnose your car but your not smart enough or skilled enough to work on the car. anybody can loosen bolts..takes a skilled mechanic to diag. a car correctly.

i dont agree with the things i just wrote..but this is what they will say

also the cost is 23 dollars. a shop will pick up the part for 25 ish dollars. the shop will sell the part for 100 percent markup give or take 20 percent which equals list price of 57. thats 34 dollars the shop just made. this happens all day long in every shop. shops get used to this free money.

i would tell you to return your parts..buy my parts since i would warranty the part and i i will match the price of what you got it for. 34 dollars might not sound liek alot but i would upsell the job with a tensioner and water pump. for the timing belt i would probaly do it anyhow since labor time is up there but i will try to sell you a tensioner and water pump alng with it. and if your dumping 500plus for a timing belt job i guarantee i could upsell another 100 dollars worth of parts for better piece of mind.

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Well just want to say the whole thing about bringing in my own parts was after a price quote from midas. their timing belt kit was $500 and water pump kit was $300. they suggested i bring in my own parts after they diagnosed it for me.
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Be cheaper if you do your own work.
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buy a repair manual (haynes, chilton, dealer) and do the work yourself, you can do all that for a couple hundred then
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Yes, I was hoping to find out what a fair price to charge someone and exactly what should be done just for an old fashioned tune up, rotor cap, clean and gap plugs unless toasted or better plugs are to be had within their price range... not likely, wires though not heard any sizzling from the engine compartment nor saw any at night so no need on the wires, oil change with filter of course, best oil for me is castrol and its done me well over the years is this true for synthetics as well? What are your preferences say 1 to 4 top down? , and what else needs to be done, injector cleaner,? oxygen sensor?, what will get the car running smooth and should be taken care of while they have someone who will do the best work possible for a fair price.??
It runs fine with slight rough at idol, and the real issue is:--- shaking of applied brakes over 45mph stronger at 50, unable to go faster... and mostly upon slight applications of breaks, diminishing as increase pressure and/or decrease speed. I presume it to be the beginnings of rotor out of flat even surface, It feels like it is in the back but givin the shimmering it could be from either front or back. Wondering if possible alignment being exposed by the breaking at higher speeds which causes the skipping vibration possible or "nope its the rotors"? Do shops still turn them for free if you buy the brake pads? Do they at least recycle them and you can buy refaced ones just as good as new?
And anything you would do for a new friend of a friend..... I need to make an honest buck here too as every minute away from reading and writing for cases vital to peoples lives is another day corruption goes unabated. I have costs for printing, mailing and the most expensive serving, So its not like the money is for me so I need to be fair for all, do good work and get back to it. If I'm doing contracting I generally will do two mans work in less time if I'm up on it at 40 to 50 an hr is what I pay myself just to be on the job. So if its really not worth it let me know as well. Thank you so much for all the help and information you share. Only been here a few reads and very impressed. Finally some intelligent life forms. "Delay the last Scotty".
I look forward to your assistance and offer mine in return. If you are paying property taxes and wondering why .... you're right! Why are you paying an "ad valorem" commercial tax if you are not engaged in some commercial activity??? The key is to not go after the tax collector but the principle of the tax collector and your evidence of fraud is with the assessor who fabricates official documents to create an unlawful assessment of non commercial or regulated property. One case even stated that "a mere looking through binoculars or surveying a property with intent to make regulate, or imposition is a taking" or "theft" in law. (not precise but that gist). The law is ours to make use of to manage those in position of public trust. For generations the parents have concerned themselves of raising families and neglected their responsibility and duty to regulate and hold accountable those that harm, trespass, "injure, oppress, threaten or intimidate any inhabitant of any state, commonwealth, or district, in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or United States Code, shall be fined or imprisoned up to ten years or both." (18 USC 241) Anyone desiring to know more about the written laws and how to make use of it to hold public servants accountable including corporations. "Upon the other hand, the corporation is a creature of the state. It is presumed to be incorporated for the benefit of the public. It receives certain special privileges and franchises, and holds them subject to the laws of the state and the limitations of its charter. Its powers are limited by law. It can make no contract not authorized by its charter. Its rights to [201 U.S. 43, 75] act as a corporation are only preserved to it so long as it obeys the laws of its creation." go up one paragraph the 6th line down "we are of the opinion that there is a clear distinction in this particular between an individual and a corporation, and that the latter has no right to refuse to submit its books and papers for an examination at the suit of the state"
Now the same is the state in respect to man as we know it is the people who have the power and as "The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen united States of America" in congress assembled, clearly put to paper and signed their wealth, their sacred Honor and their very Lives singing as all people in agreement to the establishment of a Trust of by and for the people
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, ..."

and there it is, the true purpose for which this Government was created for. The mission statement of the will and testament, the trust created from which every form of government is derived from
" That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." Now how many people knew that Government no matter what "Form" it may take is given its limited and conditional power to "effect" our "Safety and Happiness"?
Once the intent and written standard of purpose is established one can not go backwards and exercise authority over that which the position is derived from and purpose which the position exists for. Power is not in the man but in the position and anyone not fulfilling that position must be removed.... yet they remain.... is voting the only way? No! It is our position, we created it adn as such have the right to "alter or abolish it". But why when it is not the position which is corrupted but the man which presumes to hold the office, the agent working for ??? working for who all the way to the top, namely You. The buck stops with YOU. You are the Boss who ultimately is in charge and you need to know how to make use of the legal system to force compliance with the purpose for which the position exists and the "principles" upon which "laying its foundation on such principles and ...." Without exercising our authority the teenagers have taken over the house. Time to get our house in order and the first step is to institute periodic testing of all those in office as to their knowledge, understanding and accurate use of the "Declaration of Independence", the Constitution, to which they are required to swear an oath to "support", (Art VI) yet one can not "support" that which one absent requisite knowledge of. They do not have a clue!! So we need to make sure they do! To qualify for and then to remain one must be periodically tested like any other profession to be qualified for the position to gain it and to hold such office. "...shall hold their office upon good behaviour." (Art I Sec 10)
Hope this is useful and helpful. [email protected] Put "MORE INFORMATION PLEASE" and say what interests you the most and I'll put some law, case law, and the founding documents highlighted to you to read and review and see if you got the picture and can share it with others and take action even as only "one of the people" is sufficient in the law to force them to abide by it or subject to penalties and imprisonment as all real criminals (Those who harm others intentionally or for gain) and if I do not respond, bug me bug me I'll do it...
Thanks for your help in this "honest tuneup, repair" situation. and now back to it.
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dealer will definetly not install parts that you bring in.
Any dealer service shop I have ever worked in has installed customer supplied parts, but.. BUT... It came with the HUGE disclaimer that there was no warranty on parts OR labor, and they would only be installed if they were not going to void any warranty. Customer signed the waivers with the service writers on any personally supplied parts.
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Nobody cleans and gaps plugs. If you're paying someone to do it it's the same labor to put a new plug in rather than putting the old one back. New NGK stock type plugs are only about $2.50 each, they're supposed to be changed every 30,000 miles but can be pushed to 50,000. Wires are the second most fragile part of the system, you can't tell if they're bad by looking, certainly if there is any misfiring replace them. The cap and rotor will last a long time unless they crack.
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the routine maintenance you're wanting is usually around $250 for the parts (Genuine Honda). If you can DIY, labor is free. Paying someone...$500 give or take. If you were closer, I can do it around $250 labor, all done in one day.
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Yes, I was hoping to find out what a fair price to charge someone and exactly what should be done just for an old fashioned tune up, rotor cap, clean and gap plugs unless toasted or better plugs are to be had within their price range... not likely, wires though not heard any sizzling from the engine compartment nor saw any at night so no need on the wires, oil change with filter of course, best oil for me is castrol and its done me well over the years is this true for synthetics as well? What are your preferences say 1 to 4 top down? , and what else needs to be done, injector cleaner,? oxygen sensor?, what will get the car running smooth and should be taken care of while they have someone who will do the best work possible for a fair price.??
It runs fine with slight rough at idol, and the real issue is:--- shaking of applied brakes over 45mph stronger at 50, unable to go faster... and mostly upon slight applications of breaks, diminishing as increase pressure and/or decrease speed. I presume it to be the beginnings of rotor out of flat even surface, It feels like it is in the back but givin the shimmering it could be from either front or back. Wondering if possible alignment being exposed by the breaking at higher speeds which causes the skipping vibration possible or "nope its the rotors"? Do shops still turn them for free if you buy the brake pads? Do they at least recycle them and you can buy refaced ones just as good as new?
And anything you would do for a new friend of a friend..... I need to make an honest buck here too as every minute away from reading and writing for cases vital to peoples lives is another day corruption goes unabated. I have costs for printing, mailing and the most expensive serving, So its not like the money is for me so I need to be fair for all, do good work and get back to it. If I'm doing contracting I generally will do two mans work in less time if I'm up on it at 40 to 50 an hr is what I pay myself just to be on the job. So if its really not worth it let me know as well. Thank you so much for all the help and information you share. Only been here a few reads and very impressed. Finally some intelligent life forms. "Delay the last Scotty".
I look forward to your assistance and offer mine in return. If you are paying property taxes and wondering why .... you're right! Why are you paying an "ad valorem" commercial tax if you are not engaged in some commercial activity??? The key is to not go after the tax collector but the principle of the tax collector and your evidence of fraud is with the assessor who fabricates official documents to create an unlawful assessment of non commercial or regulated property. One case even stated that "a mere looking through binoculars or surveying a property with intent to make regulate, or imposition is a taking" or "theft" in law. (not precise but that gist). The law is ours to make use of to manage those in position of public trust. For generations the parents have concerned themselves of raising families and neglected their responsibility and duty to regulate and hold accountable those that harm, trespass, "injure, oppress, threaten or intimidate any inhabitant of any state, commonwealth, or district, in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or United States Code, shall be fined or imprisoned up to ten years or both." (18 USC 241) Anyone desiring to know more about the written laws and how to make use of it to hold public servants accountable including corporations. "Upon the other hand, the corporation is a creature of the state. It is presumed to be incorporated for the benefit of the public. It receives certain special privileges and franchises, and holds them subject to the laws of the state and the limitations of its charter. Its powers are limited by law. It can make no contract not authorized by its charter. Its rights to [201 U.S. 43, 75] act as a corporation are only preserved to it so long as it obeys the laws of its creation." go up one paragraph the 6th line down "we are of the opinion that there is a clear distinction in this particular between an individual and a corporation, and that the latter has no right to refuse to submit its books and papers for an examination at the suit of the state"
Now the same is the state in respect to man as we know it is the people who have the power and as "The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen united States of America" in congress assembled, clearly put to paper and signed their wealth, their sacred Honor and their very Lives singing as all people in agreement to the establishment of a Trust of by and for the people
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, ..."

and there it is, the true purpose for which this Government was created for. The mission statement of the will and testament, the trust created from which every form of government is derived from
" That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." Now how many people knew that Government no matter what "Form" it may take is given its limited and conditional power to "effect" our "Safety and Happiness"?
Once the intent and written standard of purpose is established one can not go backwards and exercise authority over that which the position is derived from and purpose which the position exists for. Power is not in the man but in the position and anyone not fulfilling that position must be removed.... yet they remain.... is voting the only way? No! It is our position, we created it adn as such have the right to "alter or abolish it". But why when it is not the position which is corrupted but the man which presumes to hold the office, the agent working for ??? working for who all the way to the top, namely You. The buck stops with YOU. You are the Boss who ultimately is in charge and you need to know how to make use of the legal system to force compliance with the purpose for which the position exists and the "principles" upon which "laying its foundation on such principles and ...." Without exercising our authority the teenagers have taken over the house. Time to get our house in order and the first step is to institute periodic testing of all those in office as to their knowledge, understanding and accurate use of the "Declaration of Independence", the Constitution, to which they are required to swear an oath to "support", (Art VI) yet one can not "support" that which one absent requisite knowledge of. They do not have a clue!! So we need to make sure they do! To qualify for and then to remain one must be periodically tested like any other profession to be qualified for the position to gain it and to hold such office. "...shall hold their office upon good behaviour." (Art I Sec 10)
Hope this is useful and helpful. [email protected] Put "MORE INFORMATION PLEASE" and say what interests you the most and I'll put some law, case law, and the founding documents highlighted to you to read and review and see if you got the picture and can share it with others and take action even as only "one of the people" is sufficient in the law to force them to abide by it or subject to penalties and imprisonment as all real criminals (Those who harm others intentionally or for gain) and if I do not respond, bug me bug me I'll do it...
Thanks for your help in this "honest tuneup, repair" situation. and now back to it.
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