eortizr

Hi,, I have the complete rear disc section ready to install in my 97 2dr civic... but some people tell that I need to repleace the Brake master-cylinder and Brake power-booster, it is true? or this is only a recommended option... ? can I use the factory master and power booster without problem?

BlueIntegraBoy

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You don't need to replace them.

WhiteOnRice

You should. Without them the brake fluid will be proported as if you still had rear drums in back... pointless.

BlueIntegraBoy

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fizix_skate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You should. Without them the brake fluid will be proported as if you still had rear drums in back... pointless.</TD></TR></TABLE>



Don't reply if you've never done this before.

astroxtc

i still got my stock mc and booster, im planing to change them when i find a good deal, but it aint something you really need

TeggerLS

Can you use abs brakes on a non abs car?

Targa250R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eortizr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi,, I have the complete rear disc section ready to install in my 97 2dr civic... but some people tell that I need to repleace the Brake master-cylinder and Brake power-booster, it is true?</TD></TR></TABLE>
No.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">or this is only a recommended option... ? can I use the factory master and power booster without problem?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fizix_skate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You should. Without them the brake fluid will be proported as if you still had rear drums in back... pointless.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wrong.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeggerLS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can you use abs brakes on a non abs car?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes.

RudeLudeHatch

Everything will be fine, but you need a bigger prop valve

Targa250R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RudeLudeHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Everything will be fine, but you need a bigger prop valve </TD></TR></TABLE>
Not "bigger," just different.

crvtec10

No replacement need just recamended. You will not get the full feel of this swap if you do not. Actually you will feel a slight loss in break pressure do to this. Did you buy a kit or the type R rear assembly??

cybergreencivic

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prop valve is all i did on mine. new brake lines in back of coarse as well.

ht834

The 1997 2dr DX (drum brakes)prop valve and the 2000 SI (disc brakes) have the same part number for the prop valve 46210-S04-902
that valve fits 1996-2000 DX-HX-CX-SI * 2DR * 3DR, AT or MT trans.

So your answer is no it doesnt matter.

Targa250R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crvtec10 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No replacement need just recamended. You will not get the full feel of this swap if you do not. Actually you will feel a slight loss in break pressure do to this.</TD></TR></TABLE>
&lt;sigh&gt; Not true at all.

Please explain to me why Honda used a 13/16" master cylinder on the non-ABS EH3 if an upsize is so "recommended." "The full feel of this swap"? What is there to feel? There is no change in braking or pedal feel whatsoever, other than additional fade resistance and friction material choice.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ht834 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 1997 2dr DX (drum brakes)prop valve and the 2000 SI (disc brakes) have the same part number for the prop valve 46210-S04-902
that valve fits 1996-2000 DX-HX-CX-SI * 2DR * 3DR, AT or MT trans.

So your answer is no it doesnt matter.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You're making multiple assumptions that may not be correct. First of all, the original poster did not mention what trim level he has. How do you know he has a CX, DX, or HX, and not an EX?

Second of all, you're making the assumption that since the Si with 10.3" fronts and 9.5" disc rears can use the same proportioning as a CX/DX/HX with 9.5" fronts and drum rears, a hybrid setup with 9.5" fronts and 9.5" disc rears requires the same proportioning. This may or may not be true, and you have provided no proof to support your theory.

ht834

Do you work for honda or maybe the honda parts department???
No "assumptions" were made all pure fact!!
Go to honda and give the part number i listed and they will tell you that that part came on all the of the vehicle i listed above.

As far as an EX the valve pn: 246210-s04-962 fits
civic 99-00 2dr HX CVT
civic 98-00 2dr EX 4AT and 5MT
civic 96-97 2dr EX 4AT and 5MT

ht834

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This may or may not be true, and you have provided no proof to support your theory.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I didnt know we were in court. Would you like me to provide exhibit A & B

sk8shorty012

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I didnt know we were in court. Would you like me to provide exhibit A & B </TD></TR></TABLE>

dont be an ***. He's merely trying to prevent false information from getting around, which H-T is famous for. He saying that although the two models you presented my have the same part #, that on the "97 dx", once you change the drum brakes to disc, that the proportioning will NOT be the same as the "2000 SI", so your theory is false, that because they have the same part # its what you need.

ht834

So which one would need say if you did a rear disc conversion on a 97 civic with rear drums?

if the part number for the SI one is the same and it has disc brakes thats not what you need?

ht834

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once you change the drum brakes to disc, that the proportioning will NOT be the same as the "2000 SI", so your theory is false, that because they have the same part # its what you need.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Im not trying to be an ***. In the honda parts catalog the part numbers are the same between a civic dx with drum brakes and a civic Si with disc's.

If you look up the prop valve for the civic SI they will give you part number
46210-S04-902

the part number for a civic dx is the same part number, 46210-S04-902

Like I said im not trying to be an ***. Call you local honda dealer and ask someone it the parts department.

sk8shorty012

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ht834 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So which one would need say if you did a rear disc conversion on a 97 civic with rear drums?

if the part number for the SI one is the same and it has disc brakes thats not what you need?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you're making the assumption that since the Si with 10.3" fronts and 9.5" disc rears can use the same proportioning as a CX/DX/HX with 9.5" fronts and drum rears, a hybrid setup with 9.5" fronts and 9.5" disc rears requires the same proportioning. This may or may not be true, and you have provided no proof to support your theory.</TD></TR></TABLE>

HOMDON

i did it to my 1992 civic hb i didnt change my booster or prop valve
and it stops with no problem but i will do so soon
so if you want to just put the rear disc on it should be fine
good luck

ht834

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dont be an *** .</TD></TR></TABLE>

Please call you local honda dealer and ask the parts department. Ask them to give you the part number on the prop valve for a 1996-2000 civic with drum brakes and then ask them to give you part number for the 2000 Civic SI prop valve it will be the same.

Please call so you dont have to qoute someone else.

sk8shorty012

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ht834 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Please call you local honda dealer and ask the parts department. Ask them to give you the part number on the prop valve for a 1996-2000 civic with drum brakes and then ask them to give you part number for the 2000 Civic SI prop valve it will be the same.

Please call so you dont have to qoute someone else.</TD></TR></TABLE>

holy ****. you are a f ucking dumbass. Im not disagreeing that the parts are the same, but since the setup would NOT be identical for the dx and si, even if you convert the dx to disc, because the dx has 9.5" rotors up front while the si has 10.3" rotors, thus that prop valve might not be the right one for the setup.

ht834

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holy ****. you are a f ucking dumbass.
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Was that necessary?

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Im not disagreeing that the parts are the same, but since the setup would NOT be identical for the dx and si, even if you convert the dx to disc, because the dx has 9.5" rotors up front while the si has 10.3" rotors, thus that prop valve might not be the right one for the setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Then tell me which one he should use

eklum

so assuming u had a rear disc conv. from a civic si you wouldnt NEED any thing but the civic si prop valve?

ht834

From 96-00 The EX and SI have the same front brakes, the DX CX are smaller. The prop valve is the same for the DX and SI.

So no you woulnt NEED anything, only would rec. a SI master cylinder. The brake booster is the same from 96-00 as well.