Is this for real? straight cut gearbox?
06-16-2005, 08:23 PM
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Is this for real? straight cut gearbox?
I came upon this tranny while browsing through ebay, is this legit, or is this guy trying to rip people off. I personally don't have a B series engine, I have an00 lude but I thought this was very interesting considering the extremely short gearing and the straight cut gears.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...&rd=1
06-16-2005, 08:24 PM
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I believe they are called "dog boxes". Yes, they are straight-cut gears. You should hear them shift. Nothing but grindage in every gear, all the time.
http://www.turboxs.com/turboxs_dog_box.htm
http://www.turboxs.com/turboxs_dog_box.htm
06-16-2005, 08:33 PM
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Re: Is this for real? straight cut gearbox? (JDM-97CX)
I think gear speed offeres straight cut gears.
Something like that is too harsh/loud for driving on the street. Not te mention you will get all kinds of funny looks from other drivers.
Something like that is too harsh/loud for driving on the street. Not te mention you will get all kinds of funny looks from other drivers.
06-16-2005, 09:35 PM
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Re: Is this for real? straight cut gearbox? (salvageland)
yea not sure what it would sound like on a honda, but in my oval window vw bug days.. it sounded really nice. kinda like a turbine type sound. but not sure what it would sound like on a honda.
not sure if mixing gear types is a good or bad thing either...
plus with that over spray, i wonder what other half assed assembly was done.
talk to marauder or spade if you want straight cut gears.. and their local. dont deal with that overseas crap..
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1085206
not sure if mixing gear types is a good or bad thing either...
plus with that over spray, i wonder what other half assed assembly was done.
talk to marauder or spade if you want straight cut gears.. and their local. dont deal with that overseas crap..
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1085206
06-16-2005, 10:24 PM
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Re: Is this for real? straight cut gearbox? (cxSHOE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cxSHOE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">plus with that over spray, i wonder what other half assed assembly was done. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea, I like how the axle seal was painted too
Yea, I like how the axle seal was painted too
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06-16-2005, 10:35 PM
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Re: Is this for real? straight cut gearbox? (RedlinedVTEC)
Straight cut gears are not as loud as everyone thinks. That set with 1 2 & 3 would hardly be noticable. The real god awefull super turbin sounding gearbox noise comes from a straight cut final drive. The pitch just constatly gets higher & higher the faster you go. If you ever watch rally racing on TV, the in-car cameras w/ sound reveal a hideous whistling noise. That is the ring gears in all three gearboxes singing in harmony... 
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Deemeetree »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe they are called "dog boxes". </TD></TR></TABLE>
Dog type engagement gears have no synchros (which are still present in the photo). It's exactly what sport bikes & racecars use in their gearboxes. Makes for ultra fast clutchless up-shifts.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Deemeetree »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe they are called "dog boxes". </TD></TR></TABLE>
Dog type engagement gears have no synchros (which are still present in the photo). It's exactly what sport bikes & racecars use in their gearboxes. Makes for ultra fast clutchless up-shifts.
06-16-2005, 10:48 PM
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Re: Is this for real? straight cut gearbox? (94eg!)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Straight cut gears are not as loud as everyone thinks. That set with 1 2 & 3 would hardly be noticable.</TD></TR></TABLE>
haa haa... 1st and 2nd in this video is loud enough... TURN THE VOLUME UP. and get ready for some piercing.
to these drivers...
4meg video.. cut short for only the first minute... trust me you dont want to hear the whole race... haa haa
can you say 7 gears !!!!!!!!!!!!
CLICK, SAVE TO DESKTOP.. OH COVER YOUR EARS!!!
haa haa... 1st and 2nd in this video is loud enough... TURN THE VOLUME UP. and get ready for some piercing.
to these drivers...4meg video.. cut short for only the first minute... trust me you dont want to hear the whole race... haa haa
can you say 7 gears !!!!!!!!!!!!
CLICK, SAVE TO DESKTOP.. OH COVER YOUR EARS!!!
06-16-2005, 11:16 PM
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Re: Is this for real? straight cut gearbox? (cxSHOE)
shipping is overpriced
he can just ship it with ups or fedex with a very good packing for $100 or less
u would know what would suck too
going in the highway at 5000rpm
he can just ship it with ups or fedex with a very good packing for $100 or less
u would know what would suck too
going in the highway at 5000rpm
06-17-2005, 09:30 AM
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Re: Is this for real? straight cut gearbox? (EgGriff)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cxSHOE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">haa haa... 1st and 2nd in this video is loud enough... TURN THE VOLUME UP. and get ready for some piercing. to these drivers...</TD></TR></TABLE>
That driver is aggresive as hell. Made me nervous just watching it. Very nice
That driver is aggresive as hell. Made me nervous just watching it. Very nice
06-17-2005, 10:04 AM
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thats just strait cut, dog box's are totaly differant, if you knew anything about them you would never have brought up dog box's.. strait cut gears dont grind, they just wine like a mother ****** when they are in gear... kinda like reverse wines, because its a factory strait cut gear.
06-17-2005, 10:15 AM
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Re: (Blind Fashion)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Blind Fashion »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats just strait cut, dog box's are totaly differant, if you knew anything about them you would never have brought up dog box's.. strait cut gears dont grind, they just wine like a mother ****** when they are in gear... kinda like reverse wines, because its a factory strait cut gear.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you knew how to read, you would've read that I said:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Deemeetree »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe they are called "dog boxes".
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Read the word "believe".
be·lieve : To expect or suppose; think: I believe they will arrive shortly.
I have only read a few articles on these transmissions. Why I thought those were called "dog boxes".
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point.
Thanks.
If you knew how to read, you would've read that I said:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Deemeetree »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe they are called "dog boxes".
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Read the word "believe".
be·lieve : To expect or suppose; think: I believe they will arrive shortly.
I have only read a few articles on these transmissions. Why I thought those were called "dog boxes".
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point.
Thanks.
06-17-2005, 10:26 AM
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Re: Is this for real? straight cut gearbox? (cxSHOE)
Thats the vid I was gonna post, that BMW is loud and fast as ****. The air ratchet shifter is sick as hell too
So can someone explain to me the benifit of strait cut gears?
Stronger? longer lasting?
I believe the position of the camera inthe bmw add's to loudness of the gears, and that is the final drive gear that gets super loud? correct me if I am wrong.
So can someone explain to me the benifit of strait cut gears?
Stronger? longer lasting?
I believe the position of the camera inthe bmw add's to loudness of the gears, and that is the final drive gear that gets super loud? correct me if I am wrong.
06-17-2005, 10:40 AM
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Re: (Deemeetree)
read some more, or ask questions next time, if you say you believe that its a dog box, you will get others to believe thats its called a dog box, no reason to have more false info on honda tech then there is. I'm not trying to be an ***, sorry if i came off like one.
06-17-2005, 10:58 AM
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That **** is tight as hell, is that mainly for road racing, rally, etc or is that gear setup also used in Drag applications? I ask this because I've never heard or watched a drag race where the car was wining that bad....
06-17-2005, 11:42 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EG_intheworks »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So can someone explain to me the benifit of strait cut gears?
Stronger? longer lasting?
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The benifits of straight cut gears are as follows:
More efficent, so less power loss in drivetrain (Helical gears create thrust as they turn).
Cheaper to manufacture...
The downside is the horrible noise...
Stronger? longer lasting?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
The benifits of straight cut gears are as follows:
More efficent, so less power loss in drivetrain (Helical gears create thrust as they turn).
Cheaper to manufacture...
The downside is the horrible noise...
06-17-2005, 11:54 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The benifits of straight cut gears are as follows:
More efficent, so less power loss in drivetrain (Helical gears create thrust as they turn).
Cheaper to manufacture...
The downside is the horrible noise...</TD></TR></TABLE>
and cause you can easily customize your gear ratios to whatever your liking
guys, there's no need to buy that assembly when you could get one of these. and make your gear ratios whatever you want (: http://www.jasperengines.com/perf-trans.htm
i'd want my gears to end at 45, 65, 85, 110, 140
More efficent, so less power loss in drivetrain (Helical gears create thrust as they turn).
Cheaper to manufacture...
The downside is the horrible noise...</TD></TR></TABLE>
and cause you can easily customize your gear ratios to whatever your liking
guys, there's no need to buy that assembly when you could get one of these. and make your gear ratios whatever you want (: http://www.jasperengines.com/perf-trans.htm
i'd want my gears to end at 45, 65, 85, 110, 140
06-17-2005, 12:03 PM
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Re: Is this for real? straight cut gearbox? (salvageland)
and for the curious, that transmission (with 205/50/15s) the gears would end at the following mph when shifting at 8000rpm.
1st - 36
2nd - 55
3rd - 67
4th - 79
5th - 100
60mph in 5th gear = 4800 rpm
70mph in 5th gear = 5600 rpm
80mph in 5th gear = 6400 rpm
1st to 2nd = 2700rpm drop
2nd to 3rd = 1400rpm drop
3rd to 4th = 1200rpm drop
4th to 5th = 1700rpm drop
i personally wouldn't like those ratios
1st - 36
2nd - 55
3rd - 67
4th - 79
5th - 100
60mph in 5th gear = 4800 rpm
70mph in 5th gear = 5600 rpm
80mph in 5th gear = 6400 rpm
1st to 2nd = 2700rpm drop
2nd to 3rd = 1400rpm drop
3rd to 4th = 1200rpm drop
4th to 5th = 1700rpm drop
i personally wouldn't like those ratios
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