yellowturbo

OK my car is a 1995 Civic coupe SI canadian with NO ABS and rear drum. It came with the 10.2 inch rotors from Honda. ( same size than an Integra I think )

Now my question... do I have the same knuckles than on an Integra ?

I need to know this cuz I want to upgrade my rotors for 11inch rotors with Type R calipers...

Thanks a lot guys !

Oh btw do I have a 40/40 proportion valves on my car ???

94eg!

iTrader: (2)

Yes, they are the same.

wifesaynogo

what exactly are u trying to do? interchange the knuckles? you can use your own knuckles i believe for the 11 in rotor/caliper upgrade...you just have to space the caliper...some1 back me up or correct me but i think there the same..just look up the part numbers and see if they match

yellowturbo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, they are the same.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you sure ? cuz if you are really sure it mean that a Type R caliper will be bolt on on my knuckles ? it would be really nice, all I would need its the two 11 inch rotors

yellowturbo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wifesaynogo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what exactly are u trying to do? interchange the knuckles? you can use your own knuckles i believe for the 11 in rotor/caliper upgrade...you just have to space the caliper...some1 back me up or correct me but i think there the same..just look up the part numbers and see if they match</TD></TR></TABLE>

I just need to be sure that my knuckles are the same than a 94+ Teg... by exemble on a EG 1992 you would have to get the knuckle from a 1994+ Teg to put the Type R caliper... but my car is like the only 1992-95 Civic who came with 10.2 inch rotor... so I want to be sure !!!

Marauder

Which type-R are you refering to? The civic type-r or integra type-r?

No, your car will not have the 40/40 prop valve since you have rear drum brakes.

yellowturbo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Marauder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Which type-R are you refering to? The civic type-r or integra type-r?

No, your car will not have the 40/40 prop valve since you have rear drum brakes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well I think that the Integra Type R caliper are easiest to find... I will take a look into a JDM shop tonight ( do the JDM are the same than USDM ? )

from which car I could get a 40/40 prop valves ??

Thanks a lot !

wifesaynogo

yes the type r caliper will bolt up...jus get the rotors redrilled to 4x100

wifesaynogo

get the prop valve from an integra

Marauder

An integra Type-R has different knuckles than a standard integra. Its a 4-lug compared to a 5-lug of the type R. Don't know if same knuckle is use but just a different spindle for the 5-lug or not.

You can get 40/40 prop valves from any 4-wheel disk civic/integra. On my 00 civic I just got a 99-00 civic si prop valve since its the same bolt pattern and directly bolted on.

wifesaynogo

the caliper will bolt up mang

yellowturbo

cool thanks a lot guys !

Anmore opinions, advices ?

hypoxvi

your car has a 4 lug, correct? i mean why go through all the hassle, why not buy a wilwood big brake kit for it?

yellowturbo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hypoxvi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your car has a 4 lug, correct? i mean why go through all the hassle, why not buy a wilwood big brake kit for it? </TD></TR></TABLE>

yep its a 4 lug... but I dont need to change the spindle to install a Type R caliper... ?

No need to spend 800$ on a brake kit for the street... well I think that a light car like mine do not need that much stoping power... a home made big brake kit will be ok for my need and I will have more $ in my pockets loll

yellowturbo

bump

94eg!

iTrader: (2)

No you don't need to change the hub (unless you WANT 5 lug). Their is a mod needed to space the Type R caliper to the rotor properly. I don't know if you have to space it back (with washers) or space it forward (by grinding it). Do a search on this mod since their are like 500 threads about it. You may wan't to upgrade from your 7/8" master cylinder, to a 15/16" MC from the 91 civic EX 4 door, to offset the larger fluid requirement of type R calipers (its an easy bolt on).

Wilwood sells thier 12.2" kit for your car directly to the public. You don't need to pay $800+ from fastbrakes.com. I've seen it selling for $549 on http://www.hotrodsusa.com & that includes brake lines, saftey wire tool rental (with deposit), and free shipping (some times they have e-coupons too). They also throw in the adjustable proportioning valve, but I wouldn't use it. Your safer w/ your brake lines divided into two seperate systems. The only draw back is that you have to use 16" or bigger wheels (a lot of 16's don't fit either). You will need that bigger MC too.

For those of us w/ 9.5" OEM brakes, wilwood now sells an 11" rotor version (for the same price), that is designed to fit OEM 15" wheels.

If your going with rear discs (not needed for front upgrade), get the 40/40 proportioning valve from either 92-95 rear disc civics (non abs only), 93+ rear disc del sol (non abs only), or 94+ integras (non abs only). The integra version is hard to install, but it will work just fine.

yellowturbo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No you don't need to change the hub (unless you WANT 5 lug). Their is a mod needed to space the Type R caliper to the rotor properly. I don't know if you have to space it back (with washers) or space it forward (by grinding it). Do a search on this mod since their are like 500 threads about it. You may wan't to upgrade from your 7/8" master cylinder, to a 15/16" MC from the 91 civic EX 4 door, to offset the larger fluid requirement of type R calipers (its an easy bolt on).

Wilwood sells thier 12.2" kit for your car directly to the public. You don't need to pay $800+ from fastbrakes.com. I've seen it selling for $549 on http://www.hotrodsusa.com & that includes brake lines, saftey wire tool rental (with deposit), and free shipping (some times they have e-coupons too). They also throw in the adjustable proportioning valve, but I wouldn't use it. Your safer w/ your brake lines divided into two seperate systems. The only draw back is that you have to use 16" or bigger wheels (a lot of 16's don't fit either). You will need that bigger MC too.

For those of us w/ 9.5" OEM brakes, wilwood now sells an 11" rotor version (for the same price), that is designed to fit OEM 15" wheels.

If your going with rear discs (not needed for front upgrade), get the 40/40 proportioning valve from either 92-95 rear disc civics (non abs only), 93+ rear disc del sol (non abs only), or 94+ integras (non abs only). The integra version is hard to install, but it will work just fine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

sweet thanks for all those details... but I wont guy a kit even at 549$ I think that for the street the 11 inch rotor with a Type R caliper will be ok. BTW I did the rear disc conversion... but I never changed the proportion valve for a 40/40
one loll.

Are you sure that a 15/16 MC is only avaible from a 1991 Civic ex foor doors ? Im sure that they can be found on other model... ?

jlacoy82

Im not 100%, but I've been told that (??96-98??) Civic EX's with ABS & 15/16" master cylinder also come stock with a 40/40 prop valve. Can anyone confirm?

Rodney

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yellowturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you sure that a 15/16 MC is only avaible from a 1991 Civic ex foor doors ? Im sure that they can be found on other model... ? </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jlacoy82 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im not 100%, but I've been told that (??96-98??) Civic EX's with ABS & 15/16" master cylinder ...</TD></TR></TABLE>

94 & 95 Civic Si w/ABS has the 15/16th's master.

yellowturbo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rodney &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

94 & 95 Civic Si w/ABS has the 15/16th's master. </TD></TR></TABLE>

do you mean those who have ABS... mine doesnt have the ABS, but I have the 10.2 inch rotors... maybe I have the 15/16 MC ?

jlacoy82

I just double checked yesterday while doing my oil change. My STOCK/OEM 98 Civic EX has a 15/16" master cylinder. Its stamped right on the side I was just curious if there was any confirmation to whether or not the PV was 40/40?

And yellow, I'm not making any point about your master cylinder size, I'm sure your cylinder is plenty large (KEKEKEKEKEKEE) but just trying to give you another option as to where to find a 40/40 prop valve.

94eg!

iTrader: (2)

93-95 ex 2 door has 10.2" brakes up front, drums in rear. It is the only civic (that I know of) that comes with a 7/8 master cylinder.

All ABS civic's have rear discs. It doesn't mater what master cylinder they have because it won't bolt up to NON ABS brake lines. The 91 civic EX 4 door is the only MC I know for sure will bolt up to any 92-95 Non ABS civic brake lines & booster (super easy that way). They are $140 from http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com, or you can get one thats been remanufactured at an autoparts store. If you get one from the parts store, you better make sure it's the right size, because they always mix them up.

Who cares about 96+ civic MC, they don't bolt onto a 92-95, so whats the point?
A 96+ civic proportioning valve WILL NOT WORK in a 92-95 civic. They have totaly different size, shape, connections, line routing.

As for the 40/40 proportioning valve, it's debatable weather or not you need it. I just like to add it because that is the way honda did it (to be safe). It's not like your car is going to explode or anything, but you should make sure that your front brakes lock up first. If your rears lock up first while your turning, your going to spin out...

yellowturbo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">93-95 ex 2 door has 10.2" brakes up front, drums in rear. It is the only civic (that I know of) that comes with a 7/8 master cylinder.

All ABS civic's have rear discs. It doesn't mater what master cylinder they have because it won't bolt up to NON ABS brake lines. The 91 civic EX 4 door is the only MC I know for sure will bolt up to any 92-95 Non ABS civic brake lines & booster (super easy that way). They are $140 from http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com, or you can get one thats been remanufactured at an autoparts store. If you get one from the parts store, you better make sure it's the right size, because they always mix them up.

Who cares about 96+ civic MC, they don't bolt onto a 92-95, so whats the point?
A 96+ civic proportioning valve WILL NOT WORK in a 92-95 civic. They have totaly different size, shape, connections, line routing.

As for the 40/40 proportioning valve, it's debatable weather or not you need it. I just like to add it because that is the way honda did it (to be safe). It's not like your car is going to explode or anything, but you should make sure that your front brakes lock up first. If your rears lock up first while your turning, your going to spin out... </TD></TR></TABLE>


cool thanks again for all those precise awnsers !!!

94eg!

iTrader: (2)

One more thing

I think the reason that the 91 ex 4 door MC became the only option for Non ABS 15/16ths Master cylinders, is because it's the only civic made w/ the big rotors up front & rear discs in the back and NO ABS.

Just like your car is the only model available with a 7/8ths. 93-95 2 door coupes were the only civics available w/ big rotors up front & drums in the rear and NO ABS.

jlacoy82

Whoops, didnt realize the generation difference 94eg, you're right. And when you say all Civics with ABS have rear disks, I assume you mean the 92-95 generation, correct?

&lt;--- ABS w/ front disks/rear drum