BloodPressure

I just removed my power steering belt, and didn't really feel a difference in power. Anyone know how much hp the P/S kills? Also, this should give me better gas mileage too right?

Thanks,
Justin

BTW 95 Del Sol D16z6

vc

1-2whp I think

Padawan

I have never seen PS dyno runs for a D-series, but on the B-series charts I've come across, the gains are normally around 4-7 whp.

BloodPressure

That's exceptable for the amount of work involved HA. Thanks for the info.

Justin

redsikiller

wtf? any whp gain is good, unless you're ******* something up in the process. I remember a teacher at tech. school saying if you only disconnect the ps belt, you will **** up some **** seriously...

O RLY

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Padawan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have never seen PS dyno runs for a D-series, but on the B-series charts I've come across, the gains are normally around 4-7 whp. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Really? I don't think 7 whp is possible by eliminating the PS. Maybe the A/C, but the PS doesn't put that much load on your engine. If you saw the dyno charts, you saw the dyno charts.

BloodPressure

Any idea what I would f*** up in the process or are you just trying to sound like you know something? I've worked for Ford for years and I've never heard of somebody ******* **** up because they took a belt off.

Justin,

P.S. you have a great attitude.

Padawan

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMH22Civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Really? I don't think 7 whp is possible by eliminating the PS. Maybe the A/C, but the PS doesn't put that much load on your engine. If you saw the dyno charts, you saw the dyno charts. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The 7 whp chart I was referring to (borrowed from Philly_NBP_R):

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Philly_NBP_R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Here's what I did:
1. Remove all fluid from system (let pump pump out fluid into a closed container) leaving a little bit to lubricate the system.
2. Remove Pump and cast iron brackets (9.5 lbs)
3. Hook PS line that used to go to pump up to the bottom nipple of the fluid reservoir (sp?).
4. Leave the line that goes to the cooler in the front of the car also hooked to the reservoir.
5. Drive away knowing you are making as much as 7 more whp w/out power steering:

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The chart from this post is no longer up, but the numbers were also provided (approximately 5 whp):

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I took the R to the dyno today (brand new dynojet) to get some basic baseline numbers before I do some tuning, and before I replace my rattling cat and add SMSP's cat-to-bpipe bottleneck remover. (Thanks for helping me out Dave)
I also wanted to see the diff between the stock box and AEM, and see how much gains you actually receive from removing the power steering belt.

Mods:
AEM Intake (currently in shortram form *)
JDM DC 4-1 Header
2.5" Carsound cat (rattling and soon to be replaced)

*I used to have the AEM in cold-air form, but replaced it with stock intake. At some point I decided to put the AEM back on in short-ram to see how I liked that.

So anyway, on to the numbers:

Run 0: AEM short-ram: 160.9hp/122.5tq

Run 1: AEM short-ram: 161.2hp/122.5tq (basically no change, 0.3hp, just wanted to warm car up and see if it was consistent)

Run 2: Stock airbox: 164.9hp/121.1tq (peak 3.7hp gain, 1.4tq loss)

Run 3: Removed power steering belt: 169.5hp/123.4tq (peak 4.6hp gain, 2.3tq gain)</TD></TR></TABLE>

O RLY

Wow...thanks for the dyno chart. Always a good idea to backup your statements.

redsikiller

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BloodPressure &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any idea what I would f*** up in the process or are you just trying to sound like you know something? I've worked for Ford for years and I've never heard of somebody ******* **** up because they took a belt off.

Justin,

P.S. you have a great attitude.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dude, what's your deal? All I was saying is, if the fluid isn't flowing like it should (because the pump isn't moving anything) you can **** something. I wasn't being a dick, so you shouldn't either. chill out. anyone else have any evidence to back this up?

Padawan

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redsikiller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> anyone else have any evidence to back this up?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The system will be fine. The only real issue with just removing the belt is that the steering effort will be quite high, since you are still forcing the fluid through all of the lines and the pump.