EgRedSi

I just got some 205/50/16's put on my car. I was told to camber it 3 in the front and 2 in the back. Why would I do that? It'll wear the tires differently won't it? I'm going to lower my car 1 1/2 inchs in the front and 1 inch in the back. Do I need to a camber kit at all?

EK k kay

I doubt you will need a camber kit, but get an alignment afterwards.

nighttrain33

You don't NEED one, but your tires will wear faster if there is negative camber (or positive for that matter, which you won't get from lowering the car obviously).

-Shane

Deemeetree

Check your toe aswell.

=GAME=

1½" you dont need a camber. just get an alignment and adjust the toe.

EgRedSi

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by =GAME= &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1½" you dont need a camber. just get an alignment and adjust the toe.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Adjust the toe? I'm new to the whole stability, tire, thing, there. What do you mean adjust the toe?

00Red_SiR

you were possibly told that because you put the wrong size tires on your car, so in an effort to prevent them from rubbing you screw up the camber settings to make them work without scraping. I would start by putting the proper sized tires on the car first (205/45/16 or 40/16) and leave your alignment settings close to stock.

wootcivic

Good reading about all this stuff is @

http://aligncraft.com/terms/terms.html

mMmdoOonut

toe is an alignment setting...

having out of spec toe will wear out tires faster than negative camber... i run -2 to 3 degrees but my toe is in spec... i see fairly even tire wear all around...

but as posted above... you've got the wrong tire size and they were probably telling you to run those camber specs to avoid rubbing

EgRedSi

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 00Red_SiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you were possibly told that because you put the wrong size tires on your car, so in an effort to prevent them from rubbing you screw up the camber settings to make them work without scraping. I would start by putting the proper sized tires on the car first (205/45/16 or 40/16) and leave your alignment settings close to stock.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually the only reason it's rubbing is becaue the stock *** shocks have keep giving. I just bought a Tein Basic Dampering system (the coilover kit). I wanted to know if I should camber my tires or not. At stock height I can afford to drop the car 1 1/2 inch in the front and 1 inch in the rear, without my tires even sitting in the wheel well. The damn shocks just suck. 205/50/16's are good, right?

00Red_SiR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EgRedSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

205/50/16's are good, right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

NO....as I've already said they are the wrong size tires for your car. Besides the problems I already mentioned they will also screw up your speedometer by saying you're going slower than what you really are going.

EgRedSi

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 00Red_SiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

NO....as I've already said they are the wrong size tires for your car. Besides the problems I already mentioned they will also screw up your speedometer by saying you're going slower than what you really are going.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The only reason why I keep saying that is because the offset of my rim keeps the tire away from my car. So if I lowered, regardless of my turn angle the tire would be fine. The scraping is from the body of the car falling on to the tire. So, if I change the suspension to keep it from being as shakey (thus the Teins) I'll be good right? The only way my tires are rubbing is when weight is forced over the wheel well so the body press straight down on the tire.

I hear what you're saying but I just don't see it to be a problem.

nub.96ek

That is a pretty mild drop and u shouldn't need a kit... just get an alignment and go

EgRedSi

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NUB-96EK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That is a pretty mild drop and u shouldn't need a kit... just get an alignment and go</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks.

00Red_SiR

Rim offset will help deal with running a wider tire but you're running an incorrect aspect ratio (height) which is one big reason why you're having scraping problems with the tires regardless of how good the shocks are or aren't. If you don't feel that screwing up the spedometer calibration is an issue either, then there's not a lot more I can really say. In my eyes the tires are a problem but if they aren't in yours, then I guess you should continue on your current path and ignore my suggestions.

mMmdoOonut

the 50 in the 205/50 is the sidewall height... 50 is obviously taller than a -45 series or a -40 series which is what you should be running... a taller tire is obviously going to make rubbing easier

EgRedSi

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mMmdoOonut &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 50 in the 205/50 is the sidewall height... 50 is obviously taller than a -45 series or a -40 series which is what you should be running... a taller tire is obviously going to make rubbing easier</TD></TR></TABLE>

The fact that my shocks sucks *** doesn't hurt either right? I'm saying, you can feel the car drop down on to the tire when I got into dips, over speed bumps, or steep hills. It sounds like it would rub regardless of the tire. I think it's mainly my suspension. If I stiffen up the spring rates my car won't give so easily, right?

Ghetto Civic HX

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mMmdoOonut &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the 50 in the 205/50 is the sidewall height... 50 is obviously taller than a -45 series or a -40 series which is what you should be running... a taller tire is obviously going to make rubbing easier</TD></TR></TABLE>

The 50 is a measurement of the side wall, but it's a percentage of the width of the tire. So a 205/50 and a 195/50 won't have the same size sidewall.

EgRedSi

I know that my tires aren't rubbing, they don't touch in turns or anything else. Just with weight. Advice......

mMmdoOonut

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ghetto Civic HX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The 50 is a measurement of the side wall, but it's a percentage of the width of the tire. So a 205/50 and a 195/50 won't have the same size sidewall.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes, the 50 is the aspect ratio, which is obviously a percentage. i'm not sure if you were trying to correct me or clarify for everyone else, but that's tire sizes 101. i hope everyone already knows that.