98k20ex

i'm in the process of putting a k20a2 in my ek and from everyone i've talked to, u can't use the rsx power steering pump because it sticks up too high and the hood won't close. my friend has an rx8 which has electric power steering (i also heard cars like the nsx have it too) and he recommended that i look into electric power steering. i've searched this topic and all i found was debates on whether or not it's worth the horsepoer gain. in my case, electric power steering is the only way i can go. anyone have information on how i would set this up? where can i find parts, ect...?


Modified by 98b16ex at 6:09 AM 9/20/2004

XkjeldorX

why dont u just get rid of power steering? i dont have power steering in my car and i have no complains

98k20ex

i'm plan on getting the engine running good before i think about power steering, but i eventially want to have it. ethier way, that's not the answer i was looking for.

SOHC4life 96

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XkjeldorX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why dont u just get rid of power steering? i dont have power steering in my car and i have no complains </TD></TR></TABLE>

He obviously wants power steering. I plan on doing this swap in the future and would like to know. I NEED power steering cause I drive in traffic daily and it would be a pain to drive without it. Bump for an answer. I would also like to know if its possible to keep your a/c with that swap in a EJ8 coupe. And if so, what parts from other cars.

98k20ex

it is possible to keep your a/c, you just have to get custom lines made. since winter is coming soon, that will be my project for next spring. i haven't installed the motor yet cause i'm waiting on a couple more parts. i think i know pretty much everything i need to to get this swap running so pm me if you have any specific questions (parts, where to buy, ect..)

98k20ex

bump
can't anyone help me out?

98k20ex

mmm, a question h-t'rs can't answer?

Jim Truett

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98b16ex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mmm, a question h-t'rs can't answer?</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's what happens when the majority decides to jump on the bandwagon and bash certain cars (EP3 Civic Si). If people would embrace the differences, we would all benefit from it.

I assume of course you are referring to the EPS rack in the new Si. Seeing as how you will be using the A2 ECU and wiring, I believe there may be a way to make it work with the proper fabrication. I thought it might be a multiplexed system, but people who swap the A2 into the EP don't report EPS issues.

98k20ex

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jim Truett &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's what happens when the majority decides to jump on the bandwagon and bash certain cars (EP3 Civic Si). If people would embrace the differences, we would all benefit from it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i we-tod-did. please explain what u mean

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jim Truett &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I assume of course you are referring to the EPS rack in the new Si. Seeing as how you will be using the A2 ECU and wiring, I believe there may be a way to make it work with the proper fabrication. I thought it might be a multiplexed system, but people who swap the A2 into the EP don't report EPS issues.</TD></TR></TABLE>

actually i was thinking that somehow you could have an auxillary power steering pump and hook the hoses that are on the powersteering pump now to an electric auxillary one

SOHC4life 96

https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=4

Go through that whole thread. I havent gottin to the end yet (page 2 or 3) but I think HASport has lines you can buy to get your powersteering to work. So far that thread has answered many of my questions and some I didnt even think about.

98k20ex

i know you can get the lines for it. the only thing i've heard is i think hasport and some other people are building a custom hood that will clear the rsx power steering pump. i still haven't heard anything about electric power steering on a k20 ek.

bgoetz

as of now I don't think that you can have power steering I think hasport is working on it

98k20ex

no, you can have power steering, you just have to get cutom lines made. the only problem is, when you close your hood, it will push up a big *** dent because of where the rsx power steering pump is mounted. that's why i'm trying to find info on electric power steering (which nobody seems to know anything about)

98k20ex

pre bedtime bump

i challange y'all to find somebody who can help me out

stizzit

Find out what the original PS pump pressure is.

Find an electric oil transfer pump at the correct pressure / an adjustable one / or obtain a pressure regulator/limiter and make some stainless lines.

Is it really THAT hard?

Jim Truett

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Is it really THAT hard? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, considering you will need to find one rated for a 100% duty cycle at the required flow rate and pressure.

stizzit

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jim Truett &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, considering you will need to find one rated for a 100% duty cycle at the required flow rate and pressure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

umm all oil pumps are rated at 100% DC why wouldn't they be?

Jim Truett

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umm all oil pumps are rated at 100% DC why wouldn't they be?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not all oil transfer pumps are rated for 100% duty, and also factor in the conditions that will be present under the hood. Post a link to one you find acceptable for the application.

stizzit

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jim Truett &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Not all oil transfer pumps are rated for 100% duty, and also factor in the conditions that will be present under the hood. Post a link to one you find acceptable for the application.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not sure where you get your information from but I've never seen an electric oil pump that isn't rated for continuous operation. You may be thinking of something all together different that myself. Maybe you have on in mind that ISNT rated for continuous operation?

Here's what I had in mind:
Electric Fluid Circulation Pump for differential cooling, turbo oiling, water intercoolers, cool suits, etc. Has internal fan, self priming, and capable of operating in temperatures of up to 300deg.

Flow's 1-2GPM at 54psi
requires 8amps

I don't know what the PS operating pressure is but I can't imagine it being to far from 54 psi, and I would guess it's lower. I'll look in my helms if i remember when im around it.

Jim Truett

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I don't know what the PS operating pressure is but I can't imagine it being to far from 54 psi, and I would guess it's lower. I'll look in my helms if i remember when im around it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Are you serious???

At full assist it is around 900 - 1100 psi.

lazynok

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jim Truett &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you serious???

At full assist it is around 900 - 1100 psi.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you wouldnt need that... cause PS works just fine at idle

Jim Truett

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you wouldnt need that... cause PS works just fine at idle</TD></TR></TABLE>

The PS pump will build near full pressure at idle. Static pressure at idle is around 240 psi. Turn the wheel, and it will shoot up as it forces fluid through the rack.

Cvic90

Is there room to make a new set of brackets and reposition the pump to sit lower in the bay or tilted to clear the hood?

H.A.R.T b16a1crx

someone makes custom hoods for the k20 into ek.or i think somehow you can make the whole motor lower but your oil pan is going to be messed up, anyone ?

98k20ex

i havn't heard anything about making the motor sit lower. i think the mounts hasport makes are set where they should be and don't lower.

anyone have info on how or where to find the power steering pump pressure?