not stable at high speeds
06-18-2003, 09:40 PM
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not stable at high speeds
when i had everything stock on my EK hatch when i bought it, i could get it to 100 and feel stable on the freeway. but now that its lowered and has directional tires, it seems like every groove and crack in the road pulls my steering wheel to the right or left, so now when i get to high speeds, its scary and it feels unstable. the steering wheel kinda jolts and feels weird. is this normal with directional tires? or is it something else?
06-19-2003, 01:37 AM
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Re: not stable at high speeds (deviant1)
if you didn't get an alignment after the lowering, get one.
if you didn't get aftermarket shocks to compensate the lowering, get some.
if you didn't check the tire pressure on your tires, check it
if you have bad camber and you haven't gotten a kit yet, get one. (and an alignmetn after that too)
if you don't have sway bars (which you probably don't), get some. (SI front sway, ITR rear sway w/ beaks is what I would do )
suspension/brakes protect your life, spend a lot of money on it.
if you didn't get aftermarket shocks to compensate the lowering, get some.
if you didn't check the tire pressure on your tires, check it
if you have bad camber and you haven't gotten a kit yet, get one. (and an alignmetn after that too)
if you don't have sway bars (which you probably don't), get some. (SI front sway, ITR rear sway w/ beaks is what I would do )
suspension/brakes protect your life, spend a lot of money on it.
06-19-2003, 02:15 AM
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Re: (ironcheftony)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ironcheftony »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dont drive fast, obey the speed limit</TD></TR></TABLE>
true, but he's trying to prevent a problem that may occur in the future.
true, but he's trying to prevent a problem that may occur in the future.
06-19-2003, 02:18 AM
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Re: not stable at high speeds (deviant1)
Tires with stiffer sidewalls track a little differently that those that are flimsy. Instead of flexing over bumps and grooves your tires will want to fight it sending more feedback to the steering wheel. I noticed this alot when braking too.
Thats what I came up with after I put azenis's and new wheels with different a different offset. Because on a nice smooth road there is very little feedback.
Thats what I came up with after I put azenis's and new wheels with different a different offset. Because on a nice smooth road there is very little feedback.
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06-19-2003, 02:23 AM
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Re: (RR98DX)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98DX »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just stop driving so fast...problem and safety issues solved.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That doesn't always help. What if he is running too much air on one side of his car? Well, If he doesn't check it, like I suggested, he it might blow and he looses a tire or two. Another example? What if he didn't get an alignment? If he doesn't get one soon, his camber & toe can kill the tires, making him spend more money in the long run.
*These are all examples to help prove a point, and it may or may not occur in the future for the driver.*
That doesn't always help. What if he is running too much air on one side of his car? Well, If he doesn't check it, like I suggested, he it might blow and he looses a tire or two. Another example? What if he didn't get an alignment? If he doesn't get one soon, his camber & toe can kill the tires, making him spend more money in the long run.
*These are all examples to help prove a point, and it may or may not occur in the future for the driver.*
06-19-2003, 05:25 AM
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Re: not stable at high speeds (Eddie HatchBlack)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eddie HatchBlack »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you didn't get an alignment after the lowering, get one.
if you didn't get aftermarket shocks to compensate the lowering, get some.
if you didn't check the tire pressure on your tires, check it
if you have bad camber and you haven't gotten a kit yet, get one. (and an alignmetn after that too)
if you don't have sway bars (which you probably don't), get some. (SI front sway, ITR rear sway w/ beaks is what I would do )
suspension/brakes protect your life, spend a lot of money on it.
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He's right on all the points above but remember. All performance mods require tradeoffs. My hatch, lowered 1.5" with Koni shocks, Eibach springs, Type R rear sway, Neuspeed upper front and rear bars, GSR wheels with Kumho Exta-mx tires, Z10 stabilizer bar, skunk 2 camber arms and a perfect alignment STILL tracks a little on certain roads
Its just the nature of the beast.
I love the way takes corners though
Also, ANY civic with less than a full race suspension is going to get a little squirley around 120+ mph. (no, I don't do that on public roads )
Mike
if you didn't get aftermarket shocks to compensate the lowering, get some.
if you didn't check the tire pressure on your tires, check it
if you have bad camber and you haven't gotten a kit yet, get one. (and an alignmetn after that too)
if you don't have sway bars (which you probably don't), get some. (SI front sway, ITR rear sway w/ beaks is what I would do )
suspension/brakes protect your life, spend a lot of money on it.
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He's right on all the points above but remember. All performance mods require tradeoffs. My hatch, lowered 1.5" with Koni shocks, Eibach springs, Type R rear sway, Neuspeed upper front and rear bars, GSR wheels with Kumho Exta-mx tires, Z10 stabilizer bar, skunk 2 camber arms and a perfect alignment STILL tracks a little on certain roads
Its just the nature of the beast.I love the way takes corners though
Also, ANY civic with less than a full race suspension is going to get a little squirley around 120+ mph. (no, I don't do that on public roads
)Mike
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Re: not stable at high speeds (Eddie HatchBlack)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eddie HatchBlack »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you didn't get an alignment after the lowering, get one.
if you didn't get aftermarket shocks to compensate the lowering, get some.
if you didn't check the tire pressure on your tires, check it
if you have bad camber and you haven't gotten a kit yet, get one. (and an alignmetn after that too)
if you don't have sway bars (which you probably don't), get some. (SI front sway, ITR rear sway w/ beaks is what I would do )
suspension/brakes protect your life, spend a lot of money on it.
</TD></TR></TABLE>best answer ever!
if you didn't get aftermarket shocks to compensate the lowering, get some.
if you didn't check the tire pressure on your tires, check it
if you have bad camber and you haven't gotten a kit yet, get one. (and an alignmetn after that too)
if you don't have sway bars (which you probably don't), get some. (SI front sway, ITR rear sway w/ beaks is what I would do )
suspension/brakes protect your life, spend a lot of money on it.
</TD></TR></TABLE>best answer ever!
06-22-2003, 06:56 PM
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Re: not stable at high speeds (Damon)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eddie HatchBlack »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you didn't get an alignment after the lowering, get one.
if you didn't get aftermarket shocks to compensate the lowering, get some.
if you didn't check the tire pressure on your tires, check it
if you have bad camber and you haven't gotten a kit yet, get one. (and an alignmetn after that too)
if you don't have sway bars (which you probably don't), get some. (SI front sway, ITR rear sway w/ beaks is what I would do )
suspension/brakes protect your life, spend a lot of money on it.
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i have aftermarket adjustable shocks
i checked air pressure
i have Si front (26) and ITR rear (22) sway bars
my camber doesnt look that bad, like you would see on most cars. it looks pretty straight. its not all tucked in at the top.
i need an alignment but i dont know which shops will align a lowered car/ or have the right equipment or alterations to accept lowered cars. like ramps to get it on the machine, etc...
if you didn't get aftermarket shocks to compensate the lowering, get some.
if you didn't check the tire pressure on your tires, check it
if you have bad camber and you haven't gotten a kit yet, get one. (and an alignmetn after that too)
if you don't have sway bars (which you probably don't), get some. (SI front sway, ITR rear sway w/ beaks is what I would do )
suspension/brakes protect your life, spend a lot of money on it.
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i have aftermarket adjustable shocks
i checked air pressure
i have Si front (26) and ITR rear (22) sway bars
my camber doesnt look that bad, like you would see on most cars. it looks pretty straight. its not all tucked in at the top.
i need an alignment but i dont know which shops will align a lowered car/ or have the right equipment or alterations to accept lowered cars. like ramps to get it on the machine, etc...
06-22-2003, 09:29 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Crash52722 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Drive faster w/ no hands and see what happens.
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what he meant was drive on the most even surface and straight road you can find then when there is NO TRAFFIC let ur hands loose on the steering wheel and see if it pulls in acceleration
If you have a alignment kit any shop will do it.
even if you car is lowered the toe in it can be adjusted but not the Camber/Caster angles unless you have a kit
toe is what mainly makes a car pull camber makes ur tires even flat with the road
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what he meant was drive on the most even surface and straight road you can find then when there is NO TRAFFIC let ur hands loose on the steering wheel and see if it pulls in acceleration
If you have a alignment kit any shop will do it.
even if you car is lowered the toe in it can be adjusted but not the Camber/Caster angles unless you have a kit
toe is what mainly makes a car pull camber makes ur tires even flat with the road
06-23-2003, 04:40 PM
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Re: (Crash52722)
I work at a shop where we do alignments, and today we were talking about my car. The outside tread is wearing more than the inside. They said that it is because of the toe from lowering the car. I was asking them how much it would cost to put a camber kit on. They told me that I don't need to put a camber kit on due to the better cornering from having the negative camber. They told me not to put a camber kit on and just get the toe and caster fixed.
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Re: not stable at high speeds (Eddie HatchBlack)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eddie HatchBlack »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you didn't get an alignment after the lowering, get one.
if you didn't get aftermarket shocks to compensate the lowering, get some.
if you didn't check the tire pressure on your tires, check it
if you have bad camber and you haven't gotten a kit yet, get one. (and an alignmetn after that too)
if you don't have sway bars (which you probably don't), get some. (SI front sway, ITR rear sway w/ beaks is what I would do )
suspension/brakes protect your life, spend a lot of money on it.
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Very Well said
if you didn't get aftermarket shocks to compensate the lowering, get some.
if you didn't check the tire pressure on your tires, check it
if you have bad camber and you haven't gotten a kit yet, get one. (and an alignmetn after that too)
if you don't have sway bars (which you probably don't), get some. (SI front sway, ITR rear sway w/ beaks is what I would do )
suspension/brakes protect your life, spend a lot of money on it.
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Very Well said
06-24-2003, 11:32 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EF9_SiR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I work at a shop where we do alignments, and today we were talking about my car. The outside tread is wearing more than the inside. They said that it is because of the toe from lowering the car. I was asking them how much it would cost to put a camber kit on. They told me that I don't need to put a camber kit on due to the better cornering from having the negative camber. They told me not to put a camber kit on and just get the toe and caster fixed.</TD></TR></TABLE>
can they fix the caster and toe without having to raise up the vehicle?
can they fix the caster and toe without having to raise up the vehicle?
06-24-2003, 03:22 PM
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Re: not stable at high speeds (rw92civic)
it's either alignment or it COULD be aftermarket wheels... if you didn't get the hub-centric rings it can cause high speed shaking in the steeringwheel and pulling...
My last car had the EXACT same problems for a long time.. I did the hubcentric rings and the shaking went away and I did the alignment and the pulling and un-even wear stopped...
and it DID NOT look off at all.
My last car had the EXACT same problems for a long time.. I did the hubcentric rings and the shaking went away and I did the alignment and the pulling and un-even wear stopped...
and it DID NOT look off at all.
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