05foresterxt

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I did a clutch job on my 99 Si since I was replacing the rear main seal. I used all OEM Honda parts. After the job was done now I can hear alot more noise that sounds like it's the transmission. It's bad enough that my wife, who drives the car, has noticed and told me about. The noise is not a grinding noise, it's more like a loud gearing noise or like when a bad bearing is heard.

I hear the noise when the car is parked and it will go away if I press the clutch in. Someone else has told me that this is the tranny main shaft bearing. I was hearing this noise before, but not the road noise. When driving, the noise is loud and noticeable, but if I put the car in neautral it goes away. When I put the car back in gear, even if I don't accelerate, I can still hear it.

What do you guys think it is? Why has this noise, while driving, appeared after the clutch was replaced?

Thanks.

CleanazzEJ1

That is your throw out bearing. It is the bearing that sits on the clutch fork and slides on the output shaft from the tranny, it engages and disengages the pressure plate from the clutch disc. You should have gotten one of these with your clutch kit.

05foresterxt

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I replaced that bearing with a brand new one.

94EG8

Yep, bad input shaft bearing.

Hard to say, it's not uncommon for the ISB bearing to go bad though.

No, throwout bearing will make noise when you depress the clutch.

05foresterxt

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Dammit, if I would have know I would have rebuilt the tranny while it was out....
How much is a rebuilt kit that would include the synchros and bearings?

ReDHaTcHyGuy

dumb question but did u put oil back in the tranny? sounds like it wasnt making the noise this bad before u changed the clutch , unless u let the tanny hang by the input shaft when removing the trans..

datblackef9

i just did a clutch and have the same problem...and the car grinds 4th now...now i put honda mtf back in the trans i put 2 quarts...thats usually the right amount correct? sorry for the thread jacking but see no sense in starting another thread on the same issue!

1992hondacivicvx

what i have done every time i have done a new clutch with a new throw out bearing and it wont make any noises i would grease up the shaft coming out of the transmission and then grease up the bearing it self on the inside of the bearing that should clear up the noise i has always worked for me and never any problems

05foresterxt

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Yes, I did fill up the tranny until it started leaking from the fill hole with Honda MTF. As everyone has stated, the issue is most likely the input shaft bearing. I could hear the bearing noise before, but just when the car was idle and it would go away when I pressed in the clutch. I thought it was the throwout bearing, but I should have asked before putting the transmission back on since now I have to remove it again.

I must admit that there were some times where the input shaft hung when installing it/removing it so that might have made the noise issue worst.

1992hondacivicvx - The manual states not to lube the throwout bearing since it will get contamitated and fail. Also, it doesn't seem to be the throwout bearing the issue.

hyperblu

The MTF is around 2.2-2.4 qts... 2qts it not quite enough, but should do the job. Depending on what clutch you put in, the noise can be normal. I've read somewhere, some of the twin plate clutches will actually stick to the flywheel and seize to it. However, I don't remember the remedy. IIRC they dumped the clutch to un-stick it and the sound goes away after a couple of weeks.

05foresterxt

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This is an OEM Honda clutch with resurfaced flywheel.

05foresterxt

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Also to note, I also feel a slight vibration on the clutch pedal that wasn't there before.

hyperblu

Have you checked the clutch fluid?

05foresterxt

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I bled and topped off the fluid after the tranny was reinstalled, but I'll check again.

hyperblu

Did you bleed it while pumping the clutch? may be some air in the lines.

shogee

Input shaft bearing is about 30 bucks from honda and you need a tube of honda bond for the two case halves,i used rtv which works fine you just gotta let it set, the vibration could be caused if you didn't torque the fly wheel bolts right or flywheel could be warped from disassembly

05foresterxt

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I bled the clutch for at least 30 minutes while my dad pumped the clutch and I would release the air when he had the clutch pedal pressed in.

I want to replace all the bearings and synchros, what else should I replace while I have it apart?

I torqued the flywheel and clutch according to the manual. How can I test for warpness? I had the flywheel machined at a local machine shop.

shogee

Well you still gotta take the tranny out, and you need a straight edge or a dial indicator, you can replace the bearings and synchros but you are gonna need, a bearing press, feeler gauges, and maybe inch/lb torque wrench, for the bearing preload, and also make sure you got the overhaul service manual.

94EG8

You really don't need any of that stuff besides the service manual. It's nice to have, but not necessary.

05foresterxt

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I've got the service manual and have been going over it, it's alot of stuff.

mavvrik

Unless you know exactly what your doing, re building a tranny is kind of a beeech. Just have a shop do it that way their is a warranty. That way if something went wrong during the re build you can take it back and have it fixed instead of hitting yourself in the head because you did it yourself

mavvrik

Most of the time, not all the time:
If the noise goes away with clutch down....its a throw out bearing
If you hear the noise with the clutch pedal half way up.....its input shaft bearing

94EG8

Manual transmissions are pretty simple to rebuild. There's really not a whole lot to them and transmission rebuilds are really expensive if you have to pay someone to do it generally speaking.

No. It's basically the opposite of that. Clutch in and noise=throwout bearing, clutch out and noise=ISB

shogee

Yea it kinda of necessary to have the correct clearances, and bearing preloads, unless you like rebuilding ur tranny every few months, that's why I'm saying you can replace only the isb, because it sits at the bottom of the case and you only need a punch to get it out, what op is saying is replacing all the synchros and bearings on the main shaft and counter shaft, which can be a bitch if you don't have the right tools. Slapping parts toghether will be like the kids that post stuff up like, "fresh motor rebuild but there is no oil pressure and ive spun a rod bearing after a week" im just telling op do it right or just buy a new tranny

94EG8

I'm not going to disagree with you and say that having the proper tools are nice to have. However I've built lots of transmissions without them and haven't had any issues. Even when I worked for honda we didn't normally use a press or bearing puller (unless it was a K-series tranny) and we never used a dial indicator (if I suspected I had a bent mainshaft or something I might have, but that doesn't normally come up) The only thing you really need feeler guages for is if you need to shim the diff or mainshaft, which doesn't normally need to be done. Also the only time you need to set the bearing preload is when installing a new set of diff bearings and using tapered roller bearings (most people just go to enclosed ball bearings)