sol16

i have a 95 del sol i want to build a motor i know i want to put a cam piston and rods and maybe values but im not sure what to buy i want to make around 230 whp if possible i am also going to replace clutch when i pull the d16z6 out.. should i keep the d16 or go to a b series

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

Put all that in what? That Z6? Even if you do you won't make that kind of power.

MyHondaIsSlow

z6 full build would be expensive, and you might end up being let down by its performance.

Just do a small build on a bseries. or do a bottom end Re-build on the z6 and boost the damn thing. Its pretty much the easiest way to get 200hp out of a single cam.

Red_Army

don't even need to rebuild for 200, cept for the whole it'd be new and safer idea.

boost or b series. either way your not likely to get 230 soon.

sol16

if i build z6 i defiantly want cams pistons and rods what should i get

sol16

whats est whp with a build

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

I have a silly question. How do you plan on buying and building this engine with these parts you've listed and not have some idea of the power you are going to make? Have you done any research on naturally aspirated builds or are you just naming off parts because you have no clue?

yungkhmer

you got a lot of researching to do. Sounds like to me you don't know jack ****. before you start thinking about building a motor why dont you spend some time reading a helms manual to get a better understand of the basics first.

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

Here's some info from 05. Notice the extent of what you'll have to do and still it never mentions horsepower figures.
http://www.d-series.org/forums/engin...-d16y8-z6.html

Libertariat

Indeed. You're all over the place and have no idea what you're getting into.

A b18c5 with cams, a good header, and a tune would be lucky to make 200whp. And that's pretty much the best b-series engine you can get your hands on.

Real n/a builds require one of these things:

Larger displacement (i.e. h22, k20, k24 etc)
B-series with high compression from aftermarket cranks/pistons as well as valvetrain upgrades, and a solid header.

That's the basic gist of things. And any n/a header that's worth its salt is going to cost you $500-1500 for a header with good Research and Development behind it.

N/a is the most expensive way to get over 200whp with just about any engine you would normally see in a honda civic.

D-series are for the most part worthless in terms of performance UNLESS you're going turbo. They can handle 150-250whp on the stock internals/valvetrain with a good tune on a motor that compression tests well.

B-series are fairly expensive to build n/a but the engines are easier and cheaper to swap in. You're looking at crank/rods/pistons + valvetrain + header and a solid 3" intake to get 230+whp like you're wanting. Probably looking at anywhere from $5,000-$10,000 depending on where you get your engine, and what parts you decide to get.

H-series (h2b in particular) is a more expensive swap than the b-series, but having .4L more displacement and 30 more torque that most b-series in its stock for makes it a real contender for medium priced n/a builds. A good header and valvetrain like skunk2 pro1s and a good tune can get you into the 200-230whp range probable.

k-series is also an easier way to get n/a power, but you REALLY pay for it in the cost of the swap with custom fabrication, extremely expensive aftermarket parts, and VERY expensive tuning software. ($1000).

The engines respond very well to bolt ons and minor upgrades and the engines can often be found for less than $3000 second hand.

Basically:

D-series = boost or go home ($1000-$4,000 for 200-350whp)
B-series = boost or expensive n/a build ($3,000-$7,000 for ~230whp n/a)
H-series = expensive swap + medium expensive n/a build ($3,500-$10,000)
K-series very expensive swap + very expensive n/a build. ($5,000-$15,000)


This is all really rough and debatable but that's the general scope you need to be looking through. And the "cheap" numbers are very dependent on being able to get 2nd hand engines for a steal on local markets. If you're going to rebuild the engine anyway, might as well buy one with a snapped rod or bent valves. Then the cost of the motor/build might only be a few hundred dollars for a damaged motor, and $2,000-$4,000 for the parts and rebuild for a fresh motor.

Really the sky is the limit depending on how much of your income you'd like to throw at your econobox.

Now I'm waiting for the flood of people to berate me for the extremely vague numbers I placed on n/a builds.

sol16

i want around 230 but i never boosted a car i have built a b18 but someone bought all the parts and i put it together im not going lie i dont know everything bout a car but u learn as you go on so this is more of a power build tell i save enough money to buy my dream car which happens to be a supra... i plan on spending 2500 in the motor and 1000 in sound system.. im still debating on boosting or not i for sure that im going to build this summer

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

230hp without boost for $2,500 aint gonna happen. Even with a turbo you would be hard pressed to boost and build the engine and tune for that money. Save your money for your Supra.

Libertariat

If you don't like the idea of boost and you're going to budget $2500 in a motor and $1000 in a sound system you will never make 230whp.

What's special about 230whp? Just some magic number you fabricated?