Datunnerkid

Hellloooo fellow honda lovers. Im planing to build a high compresion N/A d16 single slam. And i would like to know what can be said about the pros and cons to sa individual throttle body set up. Thanks guys

grumblemarc

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Why?

TwoFaced

lol.

I don't care about his reasoning but I would like to hear the feedback from people...I don't see many d16 itbs

sho_shane

Agreed, OP if your going to build a all motor car build a B or K. But for me the only real way to build power out of a honda is with boost. Just some food for thought...

As far as your Q The only real con I can see with ITBs is the custom harness, and the tuning involved... Other then that you will have great performance out of them and an amazing sound...

Datunnerkid

Why not. When is the last time u saw something cool and original out on the road or at the meets. All i see is b-series this and b-series that. Turbo blah blah. I already have an eclipse gsx for that turbo feel. I want an underdog with a twist, or even a civic with a hot rod feel. Bottom line STOP BEING SO CLOSE MINDED AND ASKING WHY ALL THE TIME AND JUST ENJOY THE CARS!!

grumblemarc

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I'm not being closed minded. I just wanted to know why. Especially since N/A is so expensive to do. I never harped on boosting or swapping. Was just curious.

kaiba

Pro: If tuned properly. Instead responded.

Inspiration

MERC6372

i say it's pimp

kaiba

More.

http://www.d-series.org/forums/natur...otor-sohc.html

sho_shane

I think its really cool to do something diffrent if you have the money to do so. But you will dump 4k into a single cam and a guy with a bolt on e-gay turbo kit will smash you into the ground.

If your not looking to be fast and just want to be diffrent then by all means do it. Im sure im not the only one that would like to see that. I just cant justify the cost to the performance gains. bare min kinda guy. I want to go as fast as i can for as little money as i can spend. That is what you will find most around here and why most people build civics. They are very cheap throw away cars and parts are everywhere...

Good luck to you...

Datunnerkid

Sorry bout that i just feel like everyones against the d16 platform. But wut we all have to do is take a note from bisimoto. I think hes on to something

Datunnerkid

To tell u the truth im trying to build a circuit track inspired car. Not a drag racer. I lost interest in just going in a straight line all the time. This engine is just going to be a corner to corner engine. Though i am going to miss the hot biddies that say ready set flash yo face

Datunnerkid

Come on guys i needs pros and cons. P-p-p-p-please

TwoFaced

Building an n/a d16...VERY costly. Just putting ITBs on isn't horrible.

DIY...use CBR 9XX ITBs...they can be found on ebay for like 70 shipped or so. I've seen people use couplers and get decent results...better results would come from welding on to a blank d16 flange or budget...using a d series intake and chopping it at the runners and mating them up. The CBR ITBs are good in the sense that the TPS and fuel system are plug and play.

I don't know how much tuning would be involved...but make sure you tune last...ITBs would be the next to last thing to put on prior to tuning. It will have not so desirable results if it's just bolted on.

I'm not sure about where the gains are in the power band or anything...possibly getting this thread copied into the ALL MOTOR thread would have better results?

So..

Pros..if tuned you will get better performance somewhere...

Cons...if you just bolt it on you will run rich as **** and probably lose alot of low end.
...a little bit costly for tuning.

sho_shane

If this is true then a D16 will do you fine. It will not make power down low so you will have to keep the RPMs up all the time. That will be fine though since the D16 is a bullet proff motor. ITB's will work great for this setup but myself I would still run a tiny turbo for no lag or a Supercharger for instant boost.

ITB's are really cool but for the cost and tuning its just not justified for the performance you get back. You can spend your money in other places on the D to make more power and a better power band.

grumblemarc

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I run a boosted D so I'm not against modding that series engine. Truth be told I thought about ITBs on our hatch. But until I'm ready to make that move it's just a thought. The only thing I ever heard that tuning them was a bitch and that it's not worth the money compared to other options..

blowededup

Search?

Just don't upset when you pour ~$4k into a built D series and come up with less than 180whp.

Run a JRSC on high comp! That's a little bit more different....

MonkeyMagic

itb pros for you:
-throttle response, if you get a good tuner and strap them to a proper candidate of a motor. i.e. cams and compression
-fan boi's at ricer parking lot meets will appoint you god of all that is asphault
/end pros

cons:
-will run shitty on cloudy days.
-will run shitty on cold days.
-will run shitty on hot days.
-cost
-no real horsepower gain.. especially on a d16
-cost of all the other bits to support the build and to tune it and re-tune it
-and i could keep going....

so all said and done, you end up with 150whp.. it won't be any fun for you.

if you want cool, original, or trendy the appearance/cosmetic forum is that way>>>

as far as tech goes.. it's all been done, perfected, ****ed-up, and done again. want hot rod feel? get some white walls and buy a shiftknob from mooneyes. want underdog? build a buick. everything has been done in the honda world and no one cares anymore. saying you want to do something 'different' is just a ricer way of saying "wish i could afford or had spent the money on something that mattered.. but i didn't"

but if you want to build one just for you, by all means do it! if you have the creative flare and the money to support oddball parts and fabrication.. go for it. i'll just warn you that if you half-finish or half-*** anything, expect it to just be a pile of **** when it's all said and done.

that said, rather than dumping what most people spend on their entire car into an intake manifold.. why not cut the plenum off the stock manifold and fab up an adapter plate to run a couple carbs? that'd be pretty hot-rod stock-car cool.

TwoFaced

^ running carbs lol...haven't seen alot of that lately...definitely not a common item.

Anybody know of a write-up on that off-hand I've never really looked too far into it...curious though.

Datunnerkid

Ok monkey magic. I didnt mean hot rod feel as a 32 duce, or a choped, sectioned model t with a flat head or a cadillac v8. Or that im going to go out and pin stripe the **** out of my car or paint checkers on my fire wall. I mean the feal of a real car. A purpouse made car that dosent need all the bells and wistles to bee cool. Something with character thats not afraid to have a scratch or a dent or fade on the paint job( or an unpainted front bumper and fender cuz of a drunk driver that dosent know how to use his mirrors) imean a car thats not affraid to be a car. And whats the civic but a modern hot rod. Used by the yungins to affordably race each other.im not looking for a gimmicK or to impress my friends with the latest rotas. Actually im just considering the itb and was just asking for pros and cons. Not for a 3 paragraph assay on whats an *******.

buick has not been an underdog since they dropped a big block with a hurst shifter in the 442. If u wanted a good example of an under dog u should of used the AMC rebel.

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...2/IMG_0340.jpg

Datunnerkid

I've made up my mind on what I'm going to do. Even if my mind is subject to change on the N/A to turbo or supercharged decision . Thanks for you're help. Talk to yall on the next thread.