Name That Part! Rear Toe?
02-14-2005, 12:14 PM
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Name That Part! Rear Toe?
Hey Guys,
Next weekend I'll be replacing the rear trailing arm assemblies with Integra ones off my EH2. I need to know the name of the metal piece that allows the toe to be adjusted in the rear. I believe one end of it connects to the frame where the toe is adjusted, and the other end connects to the tip of the trailing arm.
I looked on hondaautomotiveparts.com for a diagram but couldn't find the rear trailing arm assembly.
Many thanks,
George
Next weekend I'll be replacing the rear trailing arm assemblies with Integra ones off my EH2. I need to know the name of the metal piece that allows the toe to be adjusted in the rear. I believe one end of it connects to the frame where the toe is adjusted, and the other end connects to the tip of the trailing arm.
I looked on hondaautomotiveparts.com for a diagram but couldn't find the rear trailing arm assembly.
Many thanks,
George
02-14-2005, 12:20 PM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (94eg!)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"Compensator Arm" (#5)...
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I'm sure you were already gonna do it but after you change those trailing arms get an alignment done. I did a rear disc and the guy laughed really hard how far my alignment was off.
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I'm sure you were already gonna do it but after you change those trailing arms get an alignment done. I did a rear disc and the guy laughed really hard how far my alignment was off.
02-14-2005, 12:25 PM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (SOHC4life 96)
What menu did you find that diagram under? I'd like to order that part but I still can't find it. 
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02-15-2005, 07:11 AM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (litterbox)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by litterbox »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What menu did you find that diagram under? I'd like to order that part but I still can't find it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
"Rear Lower Arm" @ http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com
</TD></TR></TABLE>"Rear Lower Arm" @ http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com
02-15-2005, 07:19 AM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (94eg!)
I replaced my stock pieces with these:
It makes fine adjustments to rear toe a snap, plus the slot for my left side toe adjuster lockdown bolt was bent slightly.
Rather than having to loosen the bolt, pry the trailing arm into place, guess right for the adjustment to compensate for the bushing defection, then tighten the bolt down, all I have to do is loosen the locknuts just like I do up front on the tie rods and make my fine adjustments, then relock the locknuts.
Simple.
It makes fine adjustments to rear toe a snap, plus the slot for my left side toe adjuster lockdown bolt was bent slightly.
Rather than having to loosen the bolt, pry the trailing arm into place, guess right for the adjustment to compensate for the bushing defection, then tighten the bolt down, all I have to do is loosen the locknuts just like I do up front on the tie rods and make my fine adjustments, then relock the locknuts.
Simple.
02-15-2005, 08:05 AM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (litterbox)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by litterbox »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have a pic of them on your car?</TD></TR></TABLE>
You'd think so because I used to be the King of Pics, but I don't think I've got any shots of them on the car.
The lower pic there gives you a good idea of where they go though.
They're pretty easy to install, but you do have to loosen the big 17mm bolts that hold the trailing arm bushing mounts in order to get enough clearance to remove one of the bolts that holds the stock compensator arms in place.
You'd think so because I used to be the King of Pics, but I don't think I've got any shots of them on the car.
The lower pic there gives you a good idea of where they go though.
They're pretty easy to install, but you do have to loosen the big 17mm bolts that hold the trailing arm bushing mounts in order to get enough clearance to remove one of the bolts that holds the stock compensator arms in place.
02-15-2005, 08:47 AM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (B18C5-EH2)
If installed properly, those adjustable compensator arms can reduce the toe change of your rear suspension as it travels through its geometric range (toe change due to bushing deflection is not included). The trick here is to bolt the "chassis mount" side as far inward as possible (like shown in B18c5-EH2's pic). After an allignment, the compensator arm will effectively be longer than stock. This, in theory, should cut down on Hondas pre-programed rear bump steer.
One thing I'm working on figuring out, is how the rear suspensions "bump steer curve" is affected with ride height changes. That trailing link/compensator arm geometry is really crafty...
One thing I'm working on figuring out, is how the rear suspensions "bump steer curve" is affected with ride height changes. That trailing link/compensator arm geometry is really crafty...
02-15-2005, 09:26 AM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (B18C5-EH2)
heh....didnt know anythin like that existed.....thats way better of a way to adjust toe.....seems silly and not very safe the way they did it. (aka relying on compression of a bolt drawign to pieces of metal against a bushing).... nice find Tom. once again, you recieve the award for tiny details that make your car better than mine will ever be
02-15-2005, 09:44 AM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (BigZ88)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BigZ88 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">seems silly and not very safe the way they did it. (aka relying on compression of a bolt drawign to pieces of metal against a bushing).... </TD></TR></TABLE>
I think the OEM design is pretty safe considering almost every pivot point in their cars is done like that. The problem with exposed spherical bearings is that they will never last as long, in any given street conditions, as rubber bushings.
The other problem is that it would be extreamly complicated for Honda to get the suspension to do the things they want it to do without the deflection caused by rubber bushings.
Then there is the noise problem, but nobody here really cares about that...
I think the OEM design is pretty safe considering almost every pivot point in their cars is done like that. The problem with exposed spherical bearings is that they will never last as long, in any given street conditions, as rubber bushings.
The other problem is that it would be extreamly complicated for Honda to get the suspension to do the things they want it to do without the deflection caused by rubber bushings.
Then there is the noise problem, but nobody here really cares about that...
02-15-2005, 11:27 AM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (94eg!)
I more mean that its a slot, with compression holding it from moving....personally, i feel there are better ways of doing such, and as a mechanical engineer, wouldnt have designed it that way. Granted its very easy and cost effective to manufacture, but still seems that its not the best of ideas.
02-15-2005, 12:12 PM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (BigZ88)
me n my friend change our hatch in to rear disc conversion and we didnt do alignment to it . we bolt it right up on the same spot as the marking. 1 months and no toe yet. we prolly need alignment soon thought just be in the safe side
02-15-2005, 01:07 PM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (Ignitecivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ignitecivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">me n my friend change our hatch in to rear disc conversion and we didnt do alignment to it . we bolt it right up on the same spot as the marking. 1 months and no toe yet. we prolly need alignment soon thought just be in the safe side</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, you need an alignment.
Well here's my plan. I researched the spc rear toe link and I just can't justify spending $146 on it (local distributor price) because I'm currently jobless, so I'm going to replace my trailing arms as planned, take it to sears and get an alignment. Hopefully the toe can be adjusted to spec. I just came back from examining everything underneath the car. I examined the compensator arm and it didn't look bent or anything.
When I went to get my alignment done last time (2months ago) the tech said that he couldn't get the toe into spec. He showed it to me and the toe bolt was all the way inward (toward center of car). If I did get the SPC piece, could it possibly adjust the toe more than the regulator compensator arm? That would justify the purchase in my mind.
Yes, you need an alignment.
Well here's my plan. I researched the spc rear toe link and I just can't justify spending $146 on it (local distributor price) because I'm currently jobless, so I'm going to replace my trailing arms as planned, take it to sears and get an alignment. Hopefully the toe can be adjusted to spec. I just came back from examining everything underneath the car. I examined the compensator arm and it didn't look bent or anything.
When I went to get my alignment done last time (2months ago) the tech said that he couldn't get the toe into spec. He showed it to me and the toe bolt was all the way inward (toward center of car). If I did get the SPC piece, could it possibly adjust the toe more than the regulator compensator arm? That would justify the purchase in my mind.
02-15-2005, 03:00 PM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (litterbox)
The adjustment range depends on the design, but I think it would. It does, however, sound like you have a problem since the comp. arm is maxed out. 
Check your LCAs. I didn't notice a bent LCA (I purhcased) until I couldn't get thing instaled on the car. There was no abrasive damage, it was just bent. Very hard to notice...
Check your LCAs. I didn't notice a bent LCA (I purhcased) until I couldn't get thing instaled on the car. There was no abrasive damage, it was just bent. Very hard to notice...
02-15-2005, 03:33 PM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (94eg!)
Well the lca's were bent, I swapped them out with Teg ones. The subframe was bent, I had that realigned. This weekend, I'm replacing the whole trailing arm assembly. What else is there besides the compensation arm?
02-16-2005, 10:07 AM
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Re: Name That Part! Rear Toe? (94eg!)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Only the Upper Control Arms...</TD></TR></TABLE>
They were replaced with an Omnipower Camber kit.
They were replaced with an Omnipower Camber kit.
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