NA or Turbo
07-31-2007, 09:12 PM
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NA or Turbo
ok i have a 00si and its my DD i just wanted some opinions on what people thought i should move for to get over 200hp and be most reliable and the least expensive way. either way will be expensive but one wont be as expensive as the other....and what are opinions on the difference in feel u get from boosted motors and all motor civics. thanks
07-31-2007, 09:19 PM
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Re: NA or Turbo (B18Sleeper)
N/A just get a b20 bottom end high compression pistons, some head work and then add CTR or ITR cams,I/M and a bigger trottle body ,I/H/2.5in Exaust system the tune it up..add a good clutch too..! that should be able to get you to 200whp..
07-31-2007, 10:09 PM
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Re: NA or Turbo (SiRek4)
but would it be cheaper to do all of that? and would i have to bore out the 1.6 or what? cause i hear its hard to make 1.6L 200hp. i mean more people boost there cars these days which is why i thought about all motor. and what ratio of compression on the pistons...got any brands u recommend? i would love to keep it a 1.6 but i know that is harder....
07-31-2007, 10:15 PM
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Re: NA or Turbo (Lscivic1999)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lscivic1999 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">N/A just get a b20 bottom end high compression pistons, some head work and then add CTR or ITR cams,I/M and a bigger trottle body ,I/H/2.5in Exaust system the tune it up..add a good clutch too..! that should be able to get you to 200whp..</TD></TR></TABLE>
B20 bottom end
High Compression Pistons
Boring
ITR Cams
Intake Manifold
Throttle Body
Intake
Headers
2.5in Exhaust
Clutch
that is all i need for 200hp?
B20 bottom end
High Compression Pistons
Boring
ITR Cams
Intake Manifold
Throttle Body
Intake
Headers
2.5in Exhaust
Clutch
that is all i need for 200hp?
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08-01-2007, 04:40 PM
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Re: NA or Turbo (B18Sleeper)
boost. more hp for the money. $3500 into a boosted engine and $3500 into a NA, the boosted engine will always make more power. either engine is as reliable as the build, tune, and maintanence.
b16's are the worst platform to start with if you want to make power NA.
b16's are the worst platform to start with if you want to make power NA.
08-01-2007, 04:44 PM
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Re: NA or Turbo (B18Sleeper)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18Sleeper »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
B20 bottom end
High Compression Pistons
Boring
ITR Cams
Intake Manifold
Throttle Body
Intake
Headers
2.5in Exhaust
Clutch
that is all i need for 200hp? </TD></TR></TABLE>
And going turbo you...
Dont need the block = less $$$ spent
Dont need the bore = less $$$ spent
Dont need the pistons... not for 200hp = less $$$ spent
Dont need cams = less $$$ spent
Dont need the TB = less $$$ spent
Are we seeing a trend here? How much are you going to pay for all of that and how well is that thing going to DD? Its your DD man... dont go n/a with it. Turbo or leave it stock.
B20 bottom end
High Compression Pistons
Boring
ITR Cams
Intake Manifold
Throttle Body
Intake
Headers
2.5in Exhaust
Clutch
that is all i need for 200hp? </TD></TR></TABLE>
And going turbo you...
Dont need the block = less $$$ spent
Dont need the bore = less $$$ spent
Dont need the pistons... not for 200hp = less $$$ spent
Dont need cams = less $$$ spent
Dont need the TB = less $$$ spent
Are we seeing a trend here? How much are you going to pay for all of that and how well is that thing going to DD? Its your DD man... dont go n/a with it. Turbo or leave it stock.
08-01-2007, 05:08 PM
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Re: (iVteC_PoWeR)
everyone i know also states you can get more power cheaper by going turbo. also make sure you dont overboost a stock motor even though they will take a lot more than most people realize. i saw a test done in hci and they boosted way beyond what most people thought a b-16 would handle with stock internals and they made a lot of hp without spending huge money. the key is tuning and proper fuel management. i want to turbo my own 99 si and as soon as i get over this newbie status i am going to try and buy a good turbo kit from someone.
08-01-2007, 05:13 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by R Benefits »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you engine is in good shape....Greddy turbo kit 
low boost will hit you 200 whp easy</TD></TR></TABLE>
only people that need something carb legal should get a greddy kit. there are far better options otherwise.
low boost will hit you 200 whp easy</TD></TR></TABLE>only people that need something carb legal should get a greddy kit. there are far better options otherwise.
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Re: (doood)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
only people that need something carb legal should get a greddy kit. there are far better options otherwise.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well he asked for opinions, and that was mine.
Cheap, reliable, proven power.
only people that need something carb legal should get a greddy kit. there are far better options otherwise.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well he asked for opinions, and that was mine.
Cheap, reliable, proven power.
08-01-2007, 05:26 PM
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Re: (R Benefits)
after all the builds ive gone through ( way to many ) , go N/a
turbo is fun while it lasts but no matter how good your tune is it will shorten the life of your motor. n/a isnt cheap , but itll last ALOT longer and will never let you down.
besides having 250hp n/a feels like your *** is strapped to a rocked when you crack down to 3rd on the interstate
turbo is fun while it lasts but no matter how good your tune is it will shorten the life of your motor. n/a isnt cheap , but itll last ALOT longer and will never let you down.
besides having 250hp n/a feels like your *** is strapped to a rocked when you crack down to 3rd on the interstate
08-01-2007, 06:09 PM
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Re: (nekoabandoned)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nekoabandoned »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">besides having 250hp n/a feels like your *** is strapped to a rocked when you crack down to 3rd on the interstate </TD></TR></TABLE>
He'll spend $4000 to make a b16 make over 200whp.
He'd be better off turboing it, blowing it up in a few years, and replacing it.
b16's are relatively cheap.
Or ditching turbo, he should get a bigger displacement motor.
Going n/a and choosing the smallest displacement option of our all small displacement menu, is like shooting yourself in the foot the day of the 10k road race.
</TD></TR></TABLE>He'll spend $4000 to make a b16 make over 200whp.
He'd be better off turboing it, blowing it up in a few years, and replacing it.
b16's are relatively cheap.
Or ditching turbo, he should get a bigger displacement motor.
Going n/a and choosing the smallest displacement option of our all small displacement menu, is like shooting yourself in the foot the day of the 10k road race.
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Re: (JJSpecTuning)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JJSpecTuning »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">edelbrock turbo kit is awsome for under $3000</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not when a faster kit can be made for less than $2000 tuned.
OP doesn't live in CA
Not when a faster kit can be made for less than $2000 tuned.
OP doesn't live in CA
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I would sugges n/a just bc i feel that it is more reliable. Turbo is not always a daily driver set-up and it seems that is what you are looking for. It really comes down to whether or not you can go all out and spend the money to do a turbo set up correctly
08-01-2007, 07:54 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2mansi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would sugges n/a just bc i feel that it is more reliable. Turbo is not always a daily driver set-up and it seems that is what you are looking for. It really comes down to whether or not you can go all out and spend the money to do a turbo set up correctly</TD></TR></TABLE>
how much money do you think needs to be spend on internals and engine work to achieve 40hp over what the motor already makes?
how much money do you think needs to be spend on internals and engine work to achieve 40hp over what the motor already makes?
08-01-2007, 08:10 PM
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Re: NA or Turbo (95ProjectEJ1)
i fully agree with this statement. if u boost the car then wont have to buy alot of parts that will limit u. at the same time if u ever decide to make more hp then u will just need head studs, pistons, rings, rods and bearings. and u could easilt make a good 350 wheel reliably. i wud go for the boosted side. the great thing about boosten a car is that u dont have to get into boost daily driven and u can still get great gas mileage.with na u will have high comp pistons that will at all times put that bottom end at a stress point due to the compression. and buy the way i can get u a turbo get u a custom turbo kit anyway u want it.just go to this website and check it out http://www.go-autoworks.com. so my opinion is boost the car.
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08-01-2007, 09:31 PM
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Re: NA or Turbo (bottlefed93civic)
wow that is alot of information to take in a day....personally i dont care the money that needs to be spend....i dont want the cheaper route but for long term.....the reason i am building a b16 is that is what my car has in it and i wanna keep it like that....i just wanna have a DD that can pull up and have more to the wheels whether it be NA or Boost....Boost is more noticeable when u drive by and cheaper but i want this more to last more than a few years.....its the only car i have and i plan to make it last. so what would a reliable boost motor cost compared to a reliable NA motor? and i know more hp can be achieved thru a turbo, but i really aint lookin to ever push more than 250hp out of this motor. thanks and appreciate all the information.