Team Si by FCC

hi everyone,
i'm new to the race scene and wanna no bout the poor man type r.
i heard bout it and wanted to no wat it had to offer. another ? is it better than the GSR or wat. please tell wat i should do.

98civdx

bascly stuff a itr internals in a gsr.
thats what i was told.
pics?

Team Si by FCC

DO U HAVE PICS OF ONE.
ALSO U THINKS ITS BETTER THAN THE GSR

Team Si by FCC

DO U HAVE PICS OF ONE?
ALSO U THINK ITS BETTER THAN THE GSR

98civdx

i ment pics of your car....
well the dyno will prove it, and i have only ridden in my cousins bfs si with one and it pulled pretty good.. it beat a gsr ex with basic bolts ons.

hushypushy

Poor man's Type R is more commonly known as LSVTEC. B18B1 bottom end (from a DC4 LS Integra) and a B16 head (PR3; which is what the ITR also uses). It's better than a GSR swap IMO. It's usually cheaper, too.

Personally I really, really do not like the GSR intake manifold or ECU. I've driven two DC2's and I had a B18C1 in my del Sol...all that primary/secondary butterfly crap just bogs down the car (although I admit, having three different engine sounds is a fun novelty). So if you're gonna run a GSR, I'd change the intake manifold and change/chip the ECU.

my .02

Team Si by FCC

SERIOUSLY
HE HAD THE POOR MAN'S TYPE R MOTOR.
AND I WASNT GONNA DO BASIC BOLT ONS. I WAS GONNA GO EXPENSIVE ****. BUT DO U NO HOW MUCH HP HE HAD, AND CAN I DO THE B18 BLOCK WITH A B16 HEAD AND DO EVERYTHING TO IT AND INSTEAD OF THE ITR INTERNALS

hushypushy

You don't need ITR internals, although it helps, since you are essentially building an ITR replica. The more of the nicer ITR internals you use, the better.

Also, turn off your caps lock bro! When was the last time you read a website, a book, or a magazine that was written in all caps?

Team Si by FCC

THANKS MAN
SO UR SAYIN ITS BETTER TO GET A LSVTEC SWAP.
ALSO MAY I ASK, WAT IS A PR3?
ALSO WAT SHOULD I DO BOUT A TRANNY AND WAT B16 HEAD.

tw1tch

That's not true at all lol. A poor man's Type R is a Gsr block and a b16 head.

98civdx

serously turn off the caps lock please....
yea he did.. i dont know how much hp he had the headgasket blew on the dyno..

98civdx

a pr3 is the head...

well for all motor the b16 is prefered because they have the shortest gears. but a gsr will do also.

Team Si by FCC

sorry man bout the cap locks,
but thank u for the info, also so ur sayin it better to get the itr internals instead of aftermarket stuff

The Lobster

thank god someone knows what they are talking about....

LSVTEC is LSVTEC...no one does the poormans r no more.

Team Si by FCC

thanks man for all the info
but what tranny would u go with. i was thinkin a LSD tranny
and btw sorry bout the cap lock i never took them off

98civdx

umm its really up to you.

for a budget, used itr internals arent all that hard on the wallet, while artermarket parts are good and usaly better but they can get expensive quickly

Team Si by FCC

yea i kno.
i think i will really think i will think before i will do wat i want to do. if i wanna do the itr internals or aftermarket
but thank u man again

hushypushy

hmm, that's news to me. I always thought LS/VTEC was also known as the poor man's Type R since LS blocks are so cheap and B18C1's are rather expensive. Oh well, not like it really matters, it's just a name...

What, if anything, would one gain by doing a B18C1 bottom end instead of a B18B1? I think the difference would be minimal, especially when you start replacing pistons and other internals...

tw1tch

The Lobster

b18c and b18 blocks are completely different.

no oiling holes in teh b18 for vtec, as well as different cranks. The LS crank has a better rod/stroke ratio = more torque. So when Poor mans R came about there was no such thing as an ls vtec as most people didnt know how to do oiling lines for the head. Which is why the Poor mans R is so obsolete right now since ls/vtec is a better even cheaper in some ways to do then the PMR.

Also the B18c crank is balanced 10 times better then the LS crank so you can rev it like the ITR

also the GSR has a girdle and the ls doesnt.

there are more i just dotn remember them...The GSR also has oil squirters on the cylinder walls.

hushypushy

^ thanks for the info

Team Si by FCC

so is there a difference between lsvtec and the poor mans type r
and if so which is is better

98civdx

ls.vtec, thats why no builds poor mans type rs any more.

tw1tch

Yes. Ls vtec has an Ls bottom end and a vtec head.
Poor man's type r has a Gsr bottom end and a b16 vtec head. Lsv are decent if they are built correctly. If you plan to do this yourself, I'd just pick up a Gsr longblock and call it a day. Lsv isn't just a bolt it up and go kind of swap. You have to know what you are doing.

The Lobster

yup as i stated


eh its gotten alot easier with the golden eagle dowel rods, vtec oil line kit. Everything is there to basicly bolt on. The only thing wiht LS/VTEC is that you dont really want to rev it to 8200 because the bottom end of an LS isnt balanced as much as a vtec motor. With a machine shop balancing the crank and what not then itll be just as reliale as a gsr