messeduprex

Ok here is the deal my friend always wanted a honda so he gave me free reign to build him a sedan i have about 8k to play with including buying the car but he only wants a drop in swap so the big k and h are out and no itr either so here is the tech i am thinking ctr for the most bang for the buck because the motor will never be worked after the swap is this my crazy thinking? let me know what you think because this is going to be his dd. is this going to be the quickest most reliable swap for under 4k?

schardbody

cant boost???

i think CTR is overpriced for the lack of everything except REVVING to the sky.

i would do GSR, boost, and TUNE. then work the suspension and wheels.

messeduprex

no boost for this car just maxximum power with most reliablility and drop in swap thats why i'm looking at the CTR because more power than a gsr drop in swap unlike the big H and less tha spending 5k on a ITR swap

Shy_GuyAP1

If he was interested in a coupe, I would say buy mine for 6 and invest the rest into building it.

1998 EX GSR swap.
ek9disaster@hotmail.com if he wants a coupe

Tomdata

EURO R swap. is still the best bang for your buck.

drift_n_shift

itr. if not, then gsr, or b20/vtec or ls/vtec. the technology is out there today to make this swap reliable

messeduprex

yeah but the problem is its not drop in without the H2B conversion and then all the problems running into parts fitting right axels and other minor stuff unlike a b series swap into a ex sedan

Ricey McRicerton

The CTR is by far the worst bang for the buck motor. They aren't really any less expensive than an ITR motor and are torqueless.

schardbody

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ricey McRicerton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The CTR is by far the worst bang for the buck motor. They aren't really any less expensive than an ITR motor and are torqueless.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i concur, as i said above, CTR is overpriced. honestly, any swap is overpriced in my opinion, its just the most overpriced.

messeduprex

what would you recommend? i mean options are few and far between for a drop in swap the only reason the ITR is out is because of price and hmotors has CTR's for 3700+ shipping and this motor with the exception of I/H/E nothing is going to be done to the motor

97Ej6mike

K24 bottom end, K20 head, 6spd trans

Genuine Rolla

B20/VTEC

Ricey McRicerton

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by messeduprex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

what would you recommend? i mean options are few and far between for a drop in swap the only reason the ITR is out is because of price and hmotors has CTR's for 3700+ shipping and this motor with the exception of I/H/E nothing is going to be done to the motor</TD></TR></TABLE>
My honest opinion? Let this guy figure out his own thing. This isn't your project and is going to end badly should something not go as planned. You're setting yourself up for trouble spending your buddies cash and working on his car.

schardbody

well, does he want the "honor" of being able to say "i have a CTR swap" or does he wanna go fast???

USDM b20z with B16 or GSR tranny would be best bang for the buck in my opinion. but it all depends on what the car is gonna be, if its gonna be his daily dont go with a b16 tranny, GSR or LS would better suit daily commutes.

the CTR swap makes all that HP by revving that high, the b20z has tons more midrange torque, so its better suited for daily driving, IMO.

ke98248

iTrader: (1)

^^Yep.

drift_n_shift

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by messeduprex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah but the problem is its not drop in without the H2B conversion and then all the problems running into parts fitting right axels and other minor stuff unlike a b series swap into a ex sedan</TD></TR></TABLE>
wait what? ls/vtec and b20/vtec arnt h series.... ... ....

Libertariat

h2b can be done with little headache and about the same price or less than a type-r for the same money.

Just do a type-r from an integra.

IMO b18c1 &gt; any b16.

If your not boosting you'll want the displacement.

messeduprex

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ricey McRicerton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
My honest opinion? Let this guy figure out his own thing. This isn't your project and is going to end badly should something not go as planned. You're setting yourself up for trouble spending your buddies cash and working on his car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I really dont have to justify why i told him i would do this for him i have done countless swaps and i am taking his wish on what he wanted. jus drop in.
it is no different than a persone dropping a car off at a shop and telling them to put what they thought was good. and i am very good at what i do and i work on hondas and would never screw a friend espcialy one that i am the best man in his wedding
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97Ej6mike &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">K24 bottom end, K20 head, 6spd trans </TD></TR></TABLE>

Have You Been reading this thread? a K swap would bee a great choice too much money
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by schardbody &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, does he want the "honor" of being able to say "i have a CTR swap" or does he wanna go fast???

USDM b20z with B16 or GSR tranny would be best bang for the buck in my opinion. but it all depends on what the car is gonna be, if its gonna be his daily dont go with a b16 tranny, GSR or LS would better suit daily commutes.

the CTR swap makes all that HP by revving that high, the b20z has tons more midrange torque, so its better suited for daily driving, IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>

He wants a fast motor that he can have fun with and dosent want to go over 4k for the swap(not including normal needed parts) and i have heard too many horror stories of b20 vtec's blowing up or throwing rod bearings not to mention just too hard to find a good block, trans, head same goes for ls vtec
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">h2b can be done with little headache and about the same price or less than a type-r for the same money.

Just do a type-r from an integra.

IMO b18c1 &gt; any b16.

If your not boosting you'll want the displacement.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The reasonig behind the CTR Swap was 1. LSD 2. less headaches then having to buy a skunk2 IM to do away with the secondary butterflies on a GSR 3. 195hp 4. a great transmisson and 5. Price a full CTR Swap is 3700 + Shipping Where The ITR IS 4400 + shipping what ever motor we buy is coming from hmotors and i didnt want to go with a b16a but i havent completly ruled out the GSR.

Now with the H2b Here is where my concernes lay. 1. space he really dosent want to have to go out and buy a ton of parts because the old ones wont fit in between the H And the Rad support 2. dosent use a factory flywheel. 3. 1200 for the kit 1000 or more for the motor , 700 or more for a trans plus the little parts needed and i'm already at or above the price of the CTR Swap. I'm torn because for a little less i can do the GSR Swap but it's not getting the full potential of what he can get for his money.

lbcracing

b17 swap.... check ebay they are $900

messeduprex

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lbcracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">b17 swap.... check ebay they are $900 </TD></TR></TABLE>

schardbody

who said B20/vtec

i said USDM b20z, or high compression JDM B20b. and a B16 or GSR tranny.

i dislike b20/vtec for a few reasons, and would never recommend it.

so he is looking for max HP, or street credit???

you know HP sells cars, but TQ wins races. CTR swap sounds good until you figure out you gotta keep it above 6000rpm to make 100 ft lbs of tq to the wheels.

i would just do a GSR swap, do the manifold swap, and valvetrain upgrade, then tune it.

Fate

K20 FTW. Just gota shop. I've got all the parts to do mine for under $4200. Now I just gota put it in.

Libertariat

b16b = FTL.

Ls with a b16 tranny would spank it.

rycrkt

I've had great results with JDM B16a, Lots to build on and stock it provides power on demand.