Yobee

whats up HT ive got a b16a in my eg hatch. head gasket was leaking so i replaced it/ its still leaking so either the block or head needs to be machined. and i dont have time or money, or another car. yes it was torqued to spec. yes the gasket was on right..

ive got a buddy who has a d16y8 full swap who said he'd be down to trade.. i personally dont care what motor i have as long as the damn car runs with no issues. lol

so my question is what all exactly do i need. i know i need the tranny of course, the axles, ecu, and harness. will i need d series mounts? and what else?

please let me know if theres anything else i should know.

no negative comments i already know im a dumbazz for considering the trade haha

ameer_vtec99

before you change the gasket did you check whether the head is overelaborate or not or try to put a double gasket

all the best

Dioxine

Sounds like a lot of work considering you probably only need to have the head milled. Shouldnt cost any more the 60 dollars. Did you reuse your stock headstuds?

CO671

iTrader: (1)

Shaving the head should cost $30-$80. The head is more likely to warp than the cast-iron block. Also make sure you put in the dowel pins where they belong, a fresh gasket that's specifically for the motor, torque the headbolts to spec and in the correct tightening order.

So, make sure you didn't forget about the:
Headbolt loosen/tightening sequence
Machining the head flat because it may be warped
Reinstalling dowel pins.


It may cost more to swap over the D-series because of all the necessary fluids/time/labor.

Complete engine of course, wiring harness, ECU, axles, D-series motor mounts,

Dioxine

And using only new head bolts or studs

Yobee

well the previous gasket was just barely leaking so i assumed the studs just werent torqued down. i had already bought the gasket and had the time to replace so i said what the hell might as well do it. and of course when i was taking the head studs out the the very first 2 (1 closest to dizzy, and 1 closest to vtec solenoid) were loose.. and thats where the leak was coming from. i cleaned off the block and head with a clean rag and put everything back together. started it up and watched oil just leak right down the block from the same spot but this time even worse. didnt even think to do double gasket. the old gasket looked fine. but yes i did re use the studs. they were arp studs and the motor was supposedly oem rebuilt roughly 1000 miles ago.

Dioxine

If the arp studs were loose that means whoever put it together didnt torque it down correctly. That head is more then likely warped. And ive heard that ARP studs are good for 4 torques then they are done, I'm not sure though. Ive only done 2 times.

Yobee

im kind of a noob what exactly do dowel pins look like and what do they do? more then likely they were just never there.

Yobee

i really appreciate all the advice! where was everyone when i was looking for help installing the hg? im honestly thinking just selling some unused parts to get the head machined and get new studs. would you think i would need to buy another gasket?

Dioxine

Ive seen people reuse head gaskets after torquing them but I personally wouldn't ever do it. Just to be safe especially since the car started I would purchase a new head gasket.

Dowl pins are what keep the head, head gasket, and block all aligned for assembly. They are little round things that go in the block sometimes the pull of with the head though, you should see them sticking out.

Yobee

like little O ring rubber gaskets? do you know exactly how many there should be on a b16? and im sure honda would have them. also would you guys recommend oem hg and head studs? or is felpro and arp fine? its a stock b16a no upgrades to the motor at all.

CO671

iTrader: (1)

I just got a felpro gasket kit from RockAuto
Dowel pins look like this:

Yobee

thank you, and how many should there be?

CO671

iTrader: (1)

IIRC, 2

Yobee

IIRC? im sorry you lost me lol

Yobee

heres some pictures of what it did after first start

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2ec2bfbb.jpg

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/...ps48b40bce.jpg

gasket was on right...

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/...ps75023d1e.jpg

am i right? lmao

CO671

iTrader: (1)

IIRC = If I Remember Correctly, lol.
Should be 2, you can tell by the indentations in the head where the dowel pins sit, don't get them confused for any ports and try to force the dowel pin in.


edit: IIRC (never worked with Bseries so im not too sure) a dowel pin will be on the left+right corners of the exhaust-side of the head, the lack of a dowel pin(s) could be the reason why oil is leaking from that corner. I didn't see a dowel pin in the block unless it's on the head, but if it's on the head you would've figured that out because the head wouldn't have been placed flat on a surface leveled.

Yobee

another question//
i called napa and they said it would be 50$ to machine the head.
i know the intake mani has to come off. but what else do i need to remove so they can do it?

Yobee

well i laid the head on a thick towel, so it didnt leak oil on my table. lol
but now that im thinking about it i dont believe there was anything on that side.

when i put the head back on those pins basically line the head to the block correct? i was having trouble getting it to line up.

CO671

iTrader: (1)

You'd have to ask them what they require, i'm not sure if they require the cams off or don't mind it on.
I went ahead and took my cam off on my D16 when I got the head shaved but only because I was cleaning it out thoroughly. Call them again.

CO671

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, they really help with the alignment of the head to the block.
At first, I installed my head without the dowel pins (WAS A PAIN IN THE *** TO ALIGN WITH JUST #2 PENCILS) and came back to Honda-Tech asking "What are these loose pieces, are they necessary?", and got flamed to **** for being an idiot and not installing my dowel pins before torquing down the head.

I went ahead, ripped it back apart before my initial startup, placed the dowel pins in and it was easier to get the head lined up, torqued it in the correct sequence. Started up the car, minor adjustments and have been running it since March 2011.

Yobee

at least you guys didnt bash me for not checking. lol you gotta learn somehow i guess. well i appreciate the help man. im going to just have to sit it out awhile and save up some money to get these parts and keep my hatchy alive. big plans in the future of doing rhd eg6 SiR2 clone.

most recent picture, cant really complain i guess. i bought the car for 2500,http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9ffd0af3.jpg and was a complete rice rocket basically in pieces. thankfully i had a buddy at the time to help me fix it up before he moved. he had a fully built b16a sir1 in a da9 was running 13.5 in 1/4 mile
before we wrecked it
http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/...ps07706943.jpg

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/...ps49af1d56.jpg

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/...psfbf633c7.jpg

my last car was a b18c1 ef hatch that ran 13's flat
http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/...psa5c23ad2.jpg

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/...1/5e3a8d9f.jpg

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/...1/3cddab6b.jpg

and my mom owns a super minty, stock 95 prelude se with the h23a1

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/...1/c5291284.jpg

http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/...1/95f4eec3.jpg

not that anyone cares and its completely off topic. just figured id share some of the toys we had/have.

CO671

iTrader: (1)

Nice share
Felpro gasket costs $40 on RockAuto


Dowel pins should be like a $1-$3 from the dealer.

Dioxine

The cams are gonna already be off the head as you pulled them to pull the head. My general rule of thumb is don't leave anything on you don't want it to not come back with. Some places hot tank the head before surfacing some don't. Some require you to take everything off some don't just depends. Like stated call and see what they request. There are 2 dowel pins.

Yobee

thanks, took the head back off and found that both dowel pins were there. so my only guess is that the head is warped. im taking it to the shop saturdy and should have it back on the car sometime monday or tuesday.