Limited Slip Diff
04-14-2004, 05:08 PM
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Limited Slip Diff
Has anyone used a Phantom grip or know anyone who has? i have a 00 civic with a d16y8 running 8psi, with a stage 2 clutch and a light weight flywheel, any info will help, please let me know, thanks
04-14-2004, 05:19 PM
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Re: Limited Slip Diff (Mach5Racing982)
I have been told that the Phantom grip is a good way to go when concerned with economy. They are cheap for what you get. Might I suggest using a genuine Honda 1.5way LSD from a ITR or spend the $1,200 I'm gonna spend on the Mugen 2way cause it is phatty. BTW a USDM ITR LSD runs about $850 from the dealer... I would suggest looking at http://www.kingmotorsports.com to check out the Mugen kit before you buy anything... And HAPPY TUNING!!! 
04-14-2004, 05:56 PM
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Re: Limited Slip Diff (HondaFanatic708)
For those that don't know, 2-way is not ideal for FWD applications. If you're going to buy the Mugen lsd you should convert it to 1.5.
For the d-series your options are factory honda lsd, kaaz, quaife or opm. I wouldn't even consider phantom if it were my car.
For the d-series your options are factory honda lsd, kaaz, quaife or opm. I wouldn't even consider phantom if it were my car.
04-15-2004, 09:47 AM
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" The Phantom Grip is extremely strong and durable and comes with a Lifetime Warranty for breakage and manufacturer defects. "
http://phantomgrip.com/how_it_works.htm
http://phantomgrip.com/how_it_works.htm
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04-15-2004, 10:09 AM
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Re: (ironcheftony)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ironcheftony »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">" The Phantom Grip is extremely strong and durable and comes with a Lifetime Warranty for breakage and manufacturer defects. "
http://phantomgrip.com/how_it_works.htm</TD></TR></TABLE>
too bad it sucks. it wears out in about a year.
http://phantomgrip.com/how_it_works.htm</TD></TR></TABLE>
too bad it sucks. it wears out in about a year.
04-15-2004, 10:39 AM
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Re: Limited Slip Diff (Mach5Racing982)
i has it on my D16Z hatchback. It was very easy to install, and worked quite well initially. It worked very well on the autocross track (not as good as a quaife obviously). After about six months of hard driving it the LSD was somewhat diminished. There definately was a difference. After a year, the transmission was an open wheel differential. I have also heard that on cars with more power (especially boosted cars) it wears out even faster. Bottom line is in about a year its worthless. Dont waste your money. Go quaife.
04-16-2004, 11:42 AM
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Re: (Jon V)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jon V »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cusco 1.5 way
Can someone explain why 2 way is not ideal for FWD application, please </TD></TR></TABLE> Yes someone please explain in detail with some technical defense why 2 way isn't good for FWD.. Why does Mugen make a 2way then?
Can someone explain why 2 way is not ideal for FWD application, please
</TD></TR></TABLE> Yes someone please explain in detail with some technical defense why 2 way isn't good for FWD.. Why does Mugen make a 2way then?
04-16-2004, 01:29 PM
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Re: (whole9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by whole9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if mugen makes it there is a reason I can tell u that ;D /mugen nutswinger</TD></TR></TABLE> For sure!!! Why would Mugen produce a two way for their front wheel drive B series cars if there is better performance out of a 1.5 way... I'm still waiting for the explaination behind this statement... And I need technical backup... Thanks...
04-16-2004, 01:57 PM
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Re: (HondaFanatic708)
If you want a phantom LSD you can make it yourself. It's just 2 blocks of metal with four springs inbetween.
I know people like to use the word ghetto for everything but even I have to use that in this case.
I know people like to use the word ghetto for everything but even I have to use that in this case.
04-16-2004, 03:36 PM
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Re: (HondaFanatic708)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> For sure!!! Why would Mugen produce a two way for their front wheel drive B series cars if there is better performance out of a 1.5 way... I'm still waiting for the explaination behind this statement... And I need technical backup... Thanks...</TD></TR></TABLE>
How about you explain what the difference between a 2 way and 1.5 way are first, and why a 2 way is a better choice for your setup....
Again, somebody buying expensive JDM parts just because of the name. Yes Mugen is the highest of quality Honda parts, that doesn't mean it will work best for you.
How about you explain what the difference between a 2 way and 1.5 way are first, and why a 2 way is a better choice for your setup....
Again, somebody buying expensive JDM parts just because of the name. Yes Mugen is the highest of quality Honda parts, that doesn't mean it will work best for you.
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Re: Limited Slip Diff (jL iLLuZiOnz 9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jL iLLuZiOnz 9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've heard bad things about the phantom grip. you're better off with a quaife (lifetime warranty) 
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i second that ****....even guaranteed for racing.
</TD></TR></TABLE>i second that ****....even guaranteed for racing.
04-19-2004, 06:10 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Emerika »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
How about you explain what the difference between a 2 way and 1.5 way are first, and why a 2 way is a better choice for your setup....
Again, somebody buying expensive JDM parts just because of the name. Yes Mugen is the highest of quality Honda parts, that doesn't mean it will work best for you.</TD></TR></TABLE> A 2 way will have the possibility to fully engage not only when the accelerator is depressed but also when it is released. This is perfect for FWD applications for auto-cross since we all know that gassing in to turns isn't always the best. A 1.5 way will do the same but has limited potential when the gas pedal isn't depressed. How can this be more beneficial in FWD applications Emerika? I just want to know where your coming from bro...
How about you explain what the difference between a 2 way and 1.5 way are first, and why a 2 way is a better choice for your setup....
Again, somebody buying expensive JDM parts just because of the name. Yes Mugen is the highest of quality Honda parts, that doesn't mean it will work best for you.</TD></TR></TABLE> A 2 way will have the possibility to fully engage not only when the accelerator is depressed but also when it is released. This is perfect for FWD applications for auto-cross since we all know that gassing in to turns isn't always the best. A 1.5 way will do the same but has limited potential when the gas pedal isn't depressed. How can this be more beneficial in FWD applications Emerika? I just want to know where your coming from bro...
04-20-2004, 11:56 AM
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Re: (HondaFanatic708)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> A 2 way will have the possibility to fully engage not only when the accelerator is depressed but also when it is released. This is perfect for FWD applications for auto-cross since we all know that gassing in to turns isn't always the best. A 1.5 way will do the same but has limited potential when the gas pedal isn't depressed. How can this be more beneficial in FWD applications Emerika? I just want to know where your coming from bro... </TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, but with the 2 way diff, you are more likely to understeer...especially in autocross, where the corners are tighter and more abrubt.
</TD></TR></TABLE>yeah, but with the 2 way diff, you are more likely to understeer...especially in autocross, where the corners are tighter and more abrubt.
04-20-2004, 03:14 PM
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Hmmmm... Can you expand on this idea a little more? I think I get what your saying but I want to make sure. Ok so your coming in to a hairpin turn (gas is obviously released at this point) and the wheels begin to spin as your turning. Your saying a 2way will cause the inside wheel to have more torque than a 1.5way in this scenario? I haven't driven a vehicle equipped with a 2way so I need to know before I spend the $1,200 on the mugen kit. I have only had the chance to beat RSX-S with the 1.5way. I have noticed some understeer with this vehicle as well. I just need more details my man. Thanks for the help Emerika...
04-20-2004, 04:17 PM
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well....I'm not talking about acceleration...as they are "the same" as far as that goes...
I'm talking engine braking/decelleration. Say on "turn in", you are off throttle....with 1.5 way, both wheels are free of each other, while with the 2 way, they are still somewhat "locked"(not like a locked diff, but you know). This will tend to want to move to the outside.
But...each diff will work better for different driving styles. Some VW guys can rip it up with welded diffs...while some will be slower.
I'm talking engine braking/decelleration. Say on "turn in", you are off throttle....with 1.5 way, both wheels are free of each other, while with the 2 way, they are still somewhat "locked"(not like a locked diff, but you know). This will tend to want to move to the outside.
But...each diff will work better for different driving styles. Some VW guys can rip it up with welded diffs...while some will be slower.
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Re: (Emerika)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Emerika »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well....I'm not talking about acceleration...as they are "the same" as far as that goes...
I'm talking engine braking/decelleration. Say on "turn in", you are off throttle....with 1.5 way, both wheels are free of each other, while with the 2 way, they are still somewhat "locked"(not like a locked diff, but you know). This will tend to want to move to the outside.
But...each diff will work better for different driving styles. Some VW guys can rip it up with welded diffs...while some will be slower.</TD></TR></TABLE> There isn't a 1way is there? I haven't really looked or came across such a thing. I'm assuming that the 1.5way has 1/2 the deceleration/engine braking "lock" (nice choice of wording by the way) of a 2way. Is this the case or is my theory wrong? I just don't know so I need your help... Thanks man, much appreciated...
I'm talking engine braking/decelleration. Say on "turn in", you are off throttle....with 1.5 way, both wheels are free of each other, while with the 2 way, they are still somewhat "locked"(not like a locked diff, but you know). This will tend to want to move to the outside.
But...each diff will work better for different driving styles. Some VW guys can rip it up with welded diffs...while some will be slower.</TD></TR></TABLE> There isn't a 1way is there? I haven't really looked or came across such a thing. I'm assuming that the 1.5way has 1/2 the deceleration/engine braking "lock" (nice choice of wording by the way) of a 2way. Is this the case or is my theory wrong? I just don't know so I need your help... Thanks man, much appreciated...
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