PGH95EG8

Ok, so I just replaced the Hazard/Signal Relay which somehow had a hole literally fried through the side of it. The right turn signal seems to work fine now, but the left will not work and when engaged it actually makes the CEL lights on the cluster blink. I have searched high and low on a million forums, and have come up with nothing!!! I have checked every fuse in the entire car, and still nothing. I usually can figure these kind of things out, but this is killing me. I know someone has had this problem before, or at least knows what to do to fix it.

Back to the garage.

Former User

My guess is that the cluster got fried along with the hazard relay. Do you have a spare cluster to swap in? Can you borrow one?

want2drive

Sounds like you have a short somewhere.

PGH95EG8

I don't have a spare cluster, or hazard switch. I've read that it could be the hazard switch, and I really hope that is the problem. The rest of the cluster works just fine. The only issue is when the left turn signal is engaged. Do you still think it could be the cluster? My money is on the hazard switch, but I couldn't source one today.

Any other ideas? Bad ground somewhere?

slow96lude

where ya located ill give you an old cluster if you pay for shipping

im kinda curious to figure this out.

Former User

A bad hazard switch is an unlikely cause for the blinking CEL because the circuits for the CEL and turn signal light are separate and don't share a ground. The failure of the left turn signal to work could certainly be caused by a bad hazard switch, but this does not explain why the CEL blinks.


slow96lude, you are definitely a generous guy.

PGH95EG8

Not all of the CEL's blink. For example if the trunk is popped, and the ebrake is on, then those lights will blink to the pattern of the turn signal, and the actuall green turn signal light does not even turn on. Weird, I know, but I'm totally baffled!!!

I live in Pittsburgh by the way. The Rusted-Out-Honda capital of the world!!!

Former User

CEL = Check Engine Light, which reports sensor problems (see my avatar). Does this specific light ever blink when the left blinker is turned on?

PGH95EG8

My mistake on that, at least now I know what that stands for. To answer your question, No. For example, the SRS light is constantly on due to an aftermarket wheel, so that would be one of the lights that blinks. Whatever lights are lit on the cluster when I put the left signal on are the only lights that blink.

I've messed with Hondas for years, but I guess I haven't spent enough times on sites like this to speak the lingo.

Former User

It would help for you to post all of the dash warning lights that blink instead of the left signal light. How many dash warning lights remain lit while you are driving?

PGH95EG8

The only light that remains on while driving is the SRS light.

Former User

So any dash warning light that is on will blink, right? How about the dash back lights and the lights in the heater control panel and radio?

PGH95EG8

I just went and checked, and yes the climate control and dash lights DO blink when the left turn signal is engaged.

The radio on the other hand does not. That is a whole other issue. It is an RSX base model CD player, and I cannot figure out how to wire the dimmer on the radio.

Former User

5th gen Civic, right?

What happens to the cluster lights and dash warning lights when you press the hazard switch button? Do the hazards work? Does the left hazard light in the dash blink?

PGH95EG8

Yep, 5th gen.

With the key not even in the ignition the right green turn signal ligths up brighter than the left with the hazards on.

With the key turned halfway, and the headlights on, then the dashlights and climate control blink ever so slightly.

Is this starting to look more like a bad Hazard Button? I sure hope it's that easy of a fix.

Former User

Possibly, but it also seems like a ground problem.

Test the hazard switch. If it's fine then do the input tests.

PGH95EG8

I have been looking for diagrams like that all day!!!!

I will go through the paces tmrw morning and let you know what I come up with. You have been way more than helpful!!! Much appreciated.

Former User

Regarding a possible ground problem, I'd focus on G201 and G401 (located behind driver's kick panel).

PGH95EG8

So the only thing I managed to do today was blow another Hazard Relay!!! I need to find a Hazard Switch to swap out with mind and see if that is the problem.

I checked the grounds and they are fine. The wires on the Hazard Switch get extremely hot when it is left on, and that is how I ended up melting another relay.

I am so frustrated with this. If swapping the switch doesn't work, then I might have to do the most disgusting thing in the world and take it somewhere to get looked at. I really hate doing that.

Former User

Don't guess. Get a multimeter to test the switch and to do the input tests.

PGH95EG8

I'm waiting for my neighbor to get home now so I can borrow his. I lent mine to a "friend" that won't return my calls.

Former User

Remove him from friend list.

Post the results of the tests if you want more feedback.

slow96lude

im going to go with a bad ground as well. but there are so many possiblities. Im going to be in ohio here in a couple of weeks so if you still havent found anything out Ill hook you up with that old cluster of mine.

slow96lude

Im always down for a good road trip in the honda.

shogee

you have a shorted power circuit and check behind the cluster on the printed board for burning or damage, since you said you tried to install an rsx radio id go back and check the wiring, look for wires that are touching each other, wires touching anything metal, different color wires touching,