bee16a

Hi ! I'm currently getting a B16A2 swap in my 93 Hatchback
My civic has AC, and I just didnt used it at all, so I removed it
But I also have the power steering.
The place where I am getting the swap done said they can put the ps, but I'm not sure If I should since it's only a civic

Any inputs ?

spyder

Only leave off the power steering if you can get hold of a NON-power steering rack. Otherwise, it's a bitch to turn that car at low speed, even though it is "just a civic"

gsx0r

i said you get rid of it, as long as your not going to make a bunch of U-Turns..

and i heard you feel the road more w/o power steering and less speed wobble... wobble wobble.. :D

WykidEH

To turn your car into non-P/S you'll need to get the non-power steering rack and cross-member. I did this to an SI Civic and the steering is more responsive. So, I say- DO IT!

B19CivicHB

God bless my 92 Dx hatchback with no PS from the factory. I can be at a dead stop and turn the wheel easy as day!

k.

where can u get a non power steerin rack and cross-member?

~k.

bee16a

Thanx for your inputs

Phil B

I have the ps rack in my EG and the power stuff was removed when I did my swap (same one in fact) and I like the quickness of the ps rack. it's a little dartier at highway speeds but that just makes the commute more interesting.

and nothing builds those biceps like parallel parking a non-power-assisted ps rack everyday!

It's really not that bad. If you plan on autocrossing or road course-ing, I'd keep the ps rack without the power.

fsp31

>>If you plan on autocrossing or road course-ing, I'd keep the ps rack without the power.<<

You mean you would *prefer* to autocross or road race without power steering???

Talk to any high caliber (national contender) FWD autocrosser and they would say you're crazy to give up power steering. I know of two honda drivers specifically that have suffered dislocated shoulders as a result of trying to muscle a non-ps, LSD equipped Honda through an autocross course. IMO, deleting the ps due to tiny gains resulting from less "parasitic drag", or a little weight savings is pretty ridiculous considering the advantage that power steering can give you in a number of driving situations. Those advantages certainly extend beyond the autocross course.

BARF1

depends what u want .....

comfort .. or ... a bit of that feedback from your tires ....

my civic have ps ... and i been thinking about losing all the power stuff like some of the guys mention ...

but after driving my frd 88 potiac firefly ... i think its sister car is Geo ... anyways ... wif wore out 165 wide tires ... it is a Bitch to turn at low speed ....
i need both arm cranking it to move ... ( maybe i am weak ... who knows ... )

imagine ... civic with performace tires and weight heavier then the firefly ....



[Modified by BAR-F1, 9:52 PM 11/6/2001]

Phil B

ok so I'm an idiot. my apologies

fsp31

>>ok so I'm an idiot. my apologies<<

Maybe you're just a helluva lot stronger than the rest of us...

Phantom

When you're moving, turning the wheel without powersteering isn't a thing. I've never autocrossed WITH powersteering and I'm not by any means the physically strongest guy out there (6'1" 165lbs)

this is in a 97 civic coupe, b series motor and 215 tires, you just get used to it and enjoy the "feel" with no assistance



[Modified by Phantom, 5:31 PM 11/7/2001]

SpiceyRice

I'm running without power steering -- CX never had it. It's a track car, so I won't miss it - but when I do drive it around town, it's a PITA. So, after having both,
Track car - ditch the power steering
Daily/frequently drive - keep the power steering

trust me, that extra 5hp isn't going to make you faster since you're probably not using 100% of your car anyway, and it'll really **** you off when you're driving around down... disregard if you're drag racing your car - you need every hp you can get since you're really just matching car to car, not driver to driver.

Phil B

plus, there's not much turning in drag racing...


[Modified by Barabus, 3:31 AM 11/8/2001]