K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic?
09-27-2007, 12:05 AM
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K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic?
Does anyone know what the weight ratio in difference is between these motor swaps with tranny to a 94 Del Sol:
B16 CTR? $4.5k
B18 ITR? $3.4K
K20 DC5R? $7-8k
Do you guys think it's worth spending that extra money for the Type S $7-8kor stick to the B18 Integra Type R $3.4k?
I more into highway speed... not street racing.
Modified by UsMcBaldie at 3:12 AM 9/27/2007
B16 CTR? $4.5k
B18 ITR? $3.4K
K20 DC5R? $7-8k
Do you guys think it's worth spending that extra money for the Type S $7-8kor stick to the B18 Integra Type R $3.4k?
I more into highway speed... not street racing.Modified by UsMcBaldie at 3:12 AM 9/27/2007
09-27-2007, 12:31 AM
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Re: K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic? (UsMcBaldie)
K20 hands down if you have the $$ and you dont want AC. Tons of potential. You can probably make as much NA horsepower as a mild GSR turbo setup.
Solid mounts and no Air conditioning, though. Eugh. It would make a cool race car, I guess.
Solid mounts and no Air conditioning, though. Eugh. It would make a cool race car, I guess.
11-22-2007, 09:43 PM
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HYbrid-Racing offers a air conditioning kit....
powersteering is possible too (use MR2 electric pump)
a b18c-R swap will end up costing about the same and a K20A2 type-s swap.....
powersteering is possible too (use MR2 electric pump)
a b18c-R swap will end up costing about the same and a K20A2 type-s swap.....
11-22-2007, 09:53 PM
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I would say forget all of those and go H2B unless your mind is really set on those 3 motors. If so and your budget permits it go K your gonna be fast and have a ton of bragging rights.
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11-23-2007, 12:31 PM
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Re: (LPoke)
if a 1.8L type R motor is going to cost you 3.5K i say go for it, its not better than the K but it will be at least 4-5Ks cheaper plus its a drop in swap..
11-23-2007, 04:02 PM
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Re: K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic? (B serious)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">K20 hands down if you have the $$ and you dont want AC. Tons of potential. You can probably make as much NA horsepower as a mild GSR turbo setup.
Solid mounts and no Air conditioning, though. Eugh. It would make a cool race car, I guess. </TD></TR></TABLE>
not really bserious... no beef here but a cheapy cheapy turbo gsr can gat you at least 230whp! stock! a k20r making that kind of whp requires some real tuning and mods.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ejoner »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would say forget all of those and go H2B unless your mind is really set on those 3 motors. If so and your budget permits it go K your gonna be fast and have a ton of bragging rights.</TD></TR></TABLE>
BTW how is it thatthe b16b cost more than the b18c-r motor swap does? where are you shopping>?
Solid mounts and no Air conditioning, though. Eugh. It would make a cool race car, I guess. </TD></TR></TABLE>
not really bserious... no beef here but a cheapy cheapy turbo gsr can gat you at least 230whp! stock! a k20r making that kind of whp requires some real tuning and mods.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ejoner »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would say forget all of those and go H2B unless your mind is really set on those 3 motors. If so and your budget permits it go K your gonna be fast and have a ton of bragging rights.</TD></TR></TABLE>
BTW how is it thatthe b16b cost more than the b18c-r motor swap does? where are you shopping>?
11-23-2007, 04:19 PM
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Re: K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic? (raphael)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raphael »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
not really bserious... no beef here but a cheapy cheapy turbo gsr can gat you at least 230whp! stock! a k20r making that kind of whp requires some real tuning and mods.
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Why turbo? It's not reliable. What if he wants 100% OEM reliability. You can get 230whp out of a K20A2 or K20-R with mild bolt ons. Look at some of the dyno charts of K20A2/K20Rs.
A cheapy cheapy turbo GSR that you have to keep buying additional **** for ....or have to buy a motor for when (not if) it blows up. Replacing motors makes it no longer "cheapy cheapy". Ghetto turbo setups dont usually work for more than a month.
There's way too many of these TURBO VS NA threads and arguments. There's so many people with $1500 dollar setups that have been PERFECTLY RELIABLE FOR OVER A YEAR!!
OMGZ A YEAR!!
not interested.
not really bserious... no beef here but a cheapy cheapy turbo gsr can gat you at least 230whp! stock! a k20r making that kind of whp requires some real tuning and mods.
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Why turbo? It's not reliable. What if he wants 100% OEM reliability. You can get 230whp out of a K20A2 or K20-R with mild bolt ons. Look at some of the dyno charts of K20A2/K20Rs.
A cheapy cheapy turbo GSR that you have to keep buying additional **** for ....or have to buy a motor for when (not if) it blows up. Replacing motors makes it no longer "cheapy cheapy". Ghetto turbo setups dont usually work for more than a month.
There's way too many of these TURBO VS NA threads and arguments. There's so many people with $1500 dollar setups that have been PERFECTLY RELIABLE FOR OVER A YEAR!!
OMGZ A YEAR!!
not interested.
12-20-2007, 06:59 AM
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Re: K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic? (raphael)
actually we got bored with my friends ek gsr (stock) and but an ebay tubo kit (500$) xs power lol and we tuned it and pulled 272 whp out of it ... so i say for the money go with b-series and drop a turbo kit in it ;-)
12-20-2007, 07:59 AM
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Re: K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic? (JM_Vtec)
u can have a 250whp boosted gsr and a 200whp k20 and i will guarantee you the k20 will take the boosted gsr in a quarter. my homeboi's ek k20 kpro ran a 12.08 and he only pushed 200.8 whp with all bolt-ons and kpro. if you had the funds, would you run a boosted b series or n/a k series running about the same time??
12-20-2007, 08:01 AM
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Re: K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic? (Andyroo)
if k20 is an option the others are obsolete.
Unless you know what an h2b is. You can get comparable power for much less.
h2b < k20 only by a small factor, and you'll have a much less expensive aftermarket parts market.
If you consider the k20 could be done for $7,000, and the h2b for $3,500 (less if you already have a b-series.) then you still have $3,500 left for turboing, building, or whatever.
Apples and oranges man.
If I had the money for a k swap I'd do it. But a/c is an issue also, and it's more possible on other swaps.
Unless you know what an h2b is. You can get comparable power for much less.
h2b < k20 only by a small factor, and you'll have a much less expensive aftermarket parts market.
If you consider the k20 could be done for $7,000, and the h2b for $3,500 (less if you already have a b-series.) then you still have $3,500 left for turboing, building, or whatever.
Apples and oranges man.
If I had the money for a k swap I'd do it. But a/c is an issue also, and it's more possible on other swaps.
12-20-2007, 08:04 AM
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Re: K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic? (ek forever guy)
i had a friend with a h22/type-s tranny w/ lsd in a del sol and he was running consistent 13flats/high12s. comparable yes, but really, like you stated, if u have the funds, k20/24>anything else.
12-20-2007, 08:21 AM
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Ok first off... who BUMP'd the this thread after the last post was 9/27?
Doesnt seem smart to start a debate about the motor swaps given almost 3 months after the thread was created and one that the OP hasn't even responded in since he created it.
Anyhow... if this is the OP's DD I would strongly suggest to go with a swap other than the K20. I can't see spending all of that money for a motor that can't be BAR'd unless you want to spend a ton of money buying a complete junked RSX and doing all sorts of fab work that has yet to be performed on a Del Sol to pass.
There is a write up on a K20 BAR'd in an EH somewhere in the archieves... search for it.
The moment you get rolled and the cops ask to pop your hood you are screwed. Honda owners in CA need to be fully aware of the laws in this state before they go about asking questions that spark debates and bitch fests about this motor this and this motor that. Its never ending and we see countless threads about the same **** on a daily basis. IMO OP, you are old enough and hopefully smart enough to sit down and think about your future in the game. Spending all this money for "highway speed" isn't too smart. Going fast on the freeway is pretty effin stupid.
Doesnt seem smart to start a debate about the motor swaps given almost 3 months after the thread was created and one that the OP hasn't even responded in since he created it.
Anyhow... if this is the OP's DD I would strongly suggest to go with a swap other than the K20. I can't see spending all of that money for a motor that can't be BAR'd unless you want to spend a ton of money buying a complete junked RSX and doing all sorts of fab work that has yet to be performed on a Del Sol to pass.
There is a write up on a K20 BAR'd in an EH somewhere in the archieves... search for it.
The moment you get rolled and the cops ask to pop your hood you are screwed. Honda owners in CA need to be fully aware of the laws in this state before they go about asking questions that spark debates and bitch fests about this motor this and this motor that. Its never ending and we see countless threads about the same **** on a daily basis. IMO OP, you are old enough and hopefully smart enough to sit down and think about your future in the game. Spending all this money for "highway speed" isn't too smart. Going fast on the freeway is pretty effin stupid.
12-20-2007, 10:23 PM
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Re: K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic? (95ProjectEJ1)
I can't respond... I'm asking for advice. I heard the K20 Type R is 240 hp 174 t.? No their is no way to make it a legal? Even if I could find a US k20? So would you say a b18 Type r is worth it for the money, my boy gets everything to do the swap for $3800.
12-21-2007, 03:46 AM
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Re: K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic? (UsMcBaldie)
well if you can get the whole b series swap for 3800 go for it. You can take the extra money you have left over if you were gonna do the k swap and boost the living **** outta that b. You would walk that k20 all day long, and yes a turbo car is reliable. A turbo car is only as reliable as you make it. People that say there not reliable dont know much. Thats just my opinion. If you wanna go fast all motor is not where its at unless you have a v8. Go with the boost.
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Re: K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic? (turbodx95)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UsMcBaldie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I heard the K20 Type R is 240 hp 174 tq? </TD></TR></TABLE>
12-21-2007, 04:26 AM
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Re: K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic? (raphael)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Why turbo? It's not reliable. What if he wants 100% OEM reliability. You can get 230whp out of a K20A2 or K20-R with mild bolt ons. Look at some of the dyno charts of K20A2/K20Rs.
A cheapy cheapy turbo GSR that you have to keep buying additional **** for ....or have to buy a motor for when (not if) it blows up. Replacing motors makes it no longer "cheapy cheapy". Ghetto turbo setups dont usually work for more than a month.</TD></TR></TABLE>
he was saying, IF you use a cheap turbo setup that even then it will walk a K20 all day - if he were to drop the b18c1, have the motor built right by reputable people, tuned the same way (by reputable people) you will have a VERY reliable turbo gsr that will **** all over the k20 and possibly have a little cash left over (like 5 bucks maybe, or some gas money). not all turbo cars blow up..only the ones that are, like you said, ghetto setup and built cheaply. if you are someone who takes care of their car it will last as long as you want it to.
and yea, any car is expensive to fix...what happens when something goes wrong on the k20?? is it free to fix it?? its gonna cost money either way to fix something..yea a blown up motor obviously trumps minor fixes but you get the point
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Why turbo? It's not reliable. What if he wants 100% OEM reliability. You can get 230whp out of a K20A2 or K20-R with mild bolt ons. Look at some of the dyno charts of K20A2/K20Rs.
A cheapy cheapy turbo GSR that you have to keep buying additional **** for ....or have to buy a motor for when (not if) it blows up. Replacing motors makes it no longer "cheapy cheapy". Ghetto turbo setups dont usually work for more than a month.</TD></TR></TABLE>
he was saying, IF you use a cheap turbo setup that even then it will walk a K20 all day - if he were to drop the b18c1, have the motor built right by reputable people, tuned the same way (by reputable people) you will have a VERY reliable turbo gsr that will **** all over the k20 and possibly have a little cash left over (like 5 bucks maybe, or some gas money). not all turbo cars blow up..only the ones that are, like you said, ghetto setup and built cheaply. if you are someone who takes care of their car it will last as long as you want it to.
and yea, any car is expensive to fix...what happens when something goes wrong on the k20?? is it free to fix it?? its gonna cost money either way to fix something..yea a blown up motor obviously trumps minor fixes but you get the point
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12-21-2007, 06:26 AM
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Re: K20 vs b18 type R or b16 type r civic? (UsMcBaldie)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UsMcBaldie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I can't respond... I'm asking for advice. I heard the K20 Type R is 240 hp 174 t.? No their is no way to make it a legal? Even if I could find a US k20? So would you say a b18 Type r is worth it for the money, my boy gets everything to do the swap for $3800. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Like I said before... search for the archived thread about "First k20 eg in CA" (pretty sure thats the title). It is going to require a donor RSX and a lot of fab work... and that is for the EG (EH hatch). Like I said before... I dont think it has been done on a Del Sol. I would stick with a B or H swap with a US equivalent for obvious CA smog emission laws.
Like I said before... search for the archived thread about "First k20 eg in CA" (pretty sure thats the title). It is going to require a donor RSX and a lot of fab work... and that is for the EG (EH hatch). Like I said before... I dont think it has been done on a Del Sol. I would stick with a B or H swap with a US equivalent for obvious CA smog emission laws.
