Intermittent starter failure
#1
Intermittent starter failure
I have a 94 Civic VX, and starting yesterday, I noticed the sudden onset of the starter being deader than a doornail, but only temporarily.
This morning I cranked to start, and nothing. Battery has charge, fuel pump primes, but no sound of the bendix engaging, or the starter moving. After some jostling of the car it randomly fired up. Later today, after work, it was a no go...nothing...had to bump start it. So , the car ran for 4 hours straight, while I bought a starter at Oreilleys...just in case it was a starter. I got home...busted out the test light, and I have power at the starter....and now it starts up just fine. What gives?
I wouldn't think it is a fuse issue, as it wouldn't be intermittent, and it tested fine. Starter tested fine, and has power...now at least. What other bits and pieces SUPPLY/CUT power to the starter, to cause such a light switch on and off complete failure. I checked the battery lines and connections, but like I said...right now...as I'm typing this, it works perfectly fine, but I don't want to get stranded.
This morning I cranked to start, and nothing. Battery has charge, fuel pump primes, but no sound of the bendix engaging, or the starter moving. After some jostling of the car it randomly fired up. Later today, after work, it was a no go...nothing...had to bump start it. So , the car ran for 4 hours straight, while I bought a starter at Oreilleys...just in case it was a starter. I got home...busted out the test light, and I have power at the starter....and now it starts up just fine. What gives?
I wouldn't think it is a fuse issue, as it wouldn't be intermittent, and it tested fine. Starter tested fine, and has power...now at least. What other bits and pieces SUPPLY/CUT power to the starter, to cause such a light switch on and off complete failure. I checked the battery lines and connections, but like I said...right now...as I'm typing this, it works perfectly fine, but I don't want to get stranded.
#3
Re: Intermittent starter failure
Also check the condition the rubber stopper at the top of the clutch pedal that presses on the starter switch.
#4
Re: Intermittent starter failure
I have not checked the ignition switch as of yet.
#5
Re: Intermittent starter failure
So I got off of work today, and the car was symptomatic again. This time, I had my test light with me. Even though, it was exhibiting the same sx, of the starter and bendix not doing anything, the test light DID indicate that the starter is getting power still whether the battery cable attaches to the starter. Should i suspect a bad starter solenoid, or does the clutch switch and/or ignition switch still come into play? I'm not sure if they cut/supply power in the starter or before the starter in the ECU/power box.
#6
Re: Intermittent starter failure
Starters often become intermittent before failing completely. The cause is either the solenoid or the brushes in the motor, but since you replace both as a unit it doesn't matter much. If you're applying power to the small terminal of the starter and it doesn't turn, it's either the starter, the battery, or the large power and ground cables.
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#8
Re: Intermittent starter failure
It's time to test the clutch pedal switch and the starter solenoid circuit with a multimeter.
#9
Honda-Tech Member
Re: Intermittent starter failure
The nature of starter failure is that they fail intermittently. Some of the windings are open. The starter stops at a different spot each time it is disengaged, so the failure to start seems random, but it's not. If you rotate the starter slightly, it will start. Replace the starter motor.
#10
Honda-Tech Member
Re: Intermittent starter failure
it is 2 bolts take it to autozone and have it tested
but I would have the oem one rebuilt instead of buying one from autozone, the ones from az seem to be hit or miss
make sure to disconnect the battery first though
but I would have the oem one rebuilt instead of buying one from autozone, the ones from az seem to be hit or miss
make sure to disconnect the battery first though
#11
Re: Intermittent starter failure
Thanks for the info guys. I believe the problem is the starter solenoid attached to the starter. The actual solenoid is getting power, as I checked my test light today, turned the key to ignite, where the starter signal wire should signal the solenoid to click by opening the spring loaded electrical bridge, which it does not, however the test light indicates the wire itself is supplying power to the solenoid. Something is binding in the solenoid. I can hear an electrical load, when holding the starter to the crank position, but no clicking like it should make.
I would love to take it apart to see why the solenoid is failing, but my life is chaotic between work and building a NASA ST6 car. I'll replace the starter/solenoid, and confirm it works.
I would love to take it apart to see why the solenoid is failing, but my life is chaotic between work and building a NASA ST6 car. I'll replace the starter/solenoid, and confirm it works.
#12
Re: Intermittent starter failure
I replaced the entire starter/starter solenoid assembly(comes together), and it has resolved the issue. Thanks for the pointers guys. I'm not sure what internally was causing a poor connection but being at 280K miles with the original starter, who knows after years of use and corrosion.