RRRex

Hey Guys;

So thought I’d start this thread to keep you guys up on the Import Specialist EK we’re building this year to compete in the 2009 Solo Sprint and HADA Time Attack. It’s Dale Csekey’s car but MartinG and myself (MilesM) will be campaigning this season.

The car belongs to Dale Csekey as the founder and original owner or RT Motorsports. After he sold that, he went south to form RT Miami performance shop. He ran for a couple years and is now back and his new shop is called Import Specialists and this car is his first Canadian track ready promotional vehicle - located in Orillia Ontario.

Dale@importspecialist.ca - 705 326 1000

Body/Exterior:

2000 Honda Civic hatchback, DX model, Vintage Plum Pearl colour.



This is what the body looked like before Raj at Discovery Auto Collision (www.discovery-auto-collision.com) got his hands on it. Plans are fender flares and a full refresh the paint.

Also in the works is a vinyl wrap from Shinzo Media Werks in a Japanese Anime robot action theme. http://shinzomedia.com/ 905-472-7188




Engine:

Presently there is no drivetrain so info to come.
- B20B with a VTEC head and aggressive cams of some kind.
- Engine is being built by Dale at Import Specialists (705 326 1000) – he has a long history of building strong race engines and turbo apps. All machine work done by Gord Busch - Hoping to hit 215 – 220 at the wheels.
- Cams being sourced through John Lo at OptionJDM – 416 297 5788 - Likely a Buddy Club Stage 5.
- HASPort 88A engine mounts (new, hardest offered by HASport);
- JIMFab front urethane torque mounts (new, gold mounts with red bushings);
- Morroso 6 gate road race oil pan that carries an extra litre of oil (on order)


Cooling:

- Koyo dual core full size radiator, black;
- Samco radiator hoses, purple
- Distilled water 75% and 25% Honda Coolant


Fuel:

- Earl’s fuel line;
- B&M fuel gauge;
- OEM fuel filter;
- Tuned to 94 Octane Sunoco


Transmission:

- JDM 98’ spec ITR transmission w/ 4.9FD sourced through Kiwi at specialprojectsms.com;
- B16 tranny w/ 4.7FD also sourced from Kiwi
- Kaaz 1.5 way clutch type LSD on both trannies;
- Spoon flywheel;
- Defcon 6 puck custom clutch with pressure plate and clutch disc sourced from Dave at Defcon Racing (416 803 3589)
- Fastline shifter with Energy Suspension bushing;


Suspension:

- Spoon 5 way adjustable coilover, F16K, R14K at present, but we have 10K and 12K springs that we will be fine-tuning with. At present plans are to run higher rates in the front than the rear – but that might all change once we get the car on the track with the tires on it.
- SRR rear LCA
- Energy Suspension bushings at – rear trailing arms, front upper &lower control arms (new)
- USDM SiR front lower control arm with 26mm sway bar;
- CTR 22mm rear sway bar (new);
- ASR brace plate (32mm sway bar race version);
- Spoon zero bump steer kit - Roll Centre Adjuster - a taller front lower ball joint – idea is to keep the LCA straight on a lowered car.
- Spoon front strut bar. May come off during track tuning.
- Alignment - likely start with 3 degrees front camber, 2 degrees rear. We check front tire temps so camber will be adjusted by track, but will likely start with 3 degrees and 2. 1/16th toe out front each side for a total of 1/8 front toe out, 0 toe rear.
- Hard Race solid bushing Upper Control Arms – Kiwi at Special Projects www.specialprojectsms.com
- Hard Race solid bushing rear toe adjusters – Kiwi at Special Projects www.specialprojectsms.com


Cage:
This cage is a bit of a nightmare.



It’s a decent cage for a lapping car. Light weight. But lots of room for improvement. The seat belt harness bar is too high, plus other issues like being anchored to the rear floor instead of on plates to the shock towers. That X needs to be straightened out too. Originally Ronnie O’Brien was commissioned to take on the rebuild but his schedule and ours didn’t line up. So, the job went to WEBBER CHASSIS 244 Woolwich st. Breslau Ont. ( www.webberchassis.com ) Garth is the guy to ask for: 519-404-9722. Seems really knowledgeable and has been incredible to deal with. Can’t wait to see the work. Pictures of the new cage will be added since it’s presently being installed. Webber is also creating a custom rear wing mount to sit the wing as far back on the chassis as possible.

Intake & Exhaust:
- HKS air filter;
- ARC intake chamber;
- JDM Fujitsubo 2.5” inlet muffler (custom cut exit lip);
- Header info to come.


Brakes:

* ITR 4X100 conversion with redrilled 11” prelude rotors sourced from Carl Wener at Perry Performance and Competition – 450 662 8886 carl@perryautolaval.com
* SiR rear disc brakes;
* Hawk DT60 pads through Perry Performance and Competition
* Motul RBF600 sourced through Perry Performance and Competetion
* ITR brake booster;
* ITR brake master cylinder;


Wheel and tire:

- Fronts: 15X8 Rotas sourced from Pete Mills at Marcor – 1 800 263 8621
- Rears: 15X7 Team Dynamics also from Pete Mills at Marcor
- Spare: 15X8 Kosei K1s
- Wet tires – full tread R888s grooved by Jeff Wenzel at Tire Craft Concord – 905 760 1130
- Wet tires will run 28lbs of air cold.
- Dry fronts Goodyear Eagle Slick R430 – 23X9X15 – equivalent to a 245/40/15 - Jeff Wenzel at Tire Craft Concord – 905 760 1130
- Dry rears – Good year Eagle Slick R430 – 23X8X15 – equivalent to a 225/45/15 - Jeff Wenzel at Tire Craft Concord – 905 760 1130
- Dry tires will run 18lbs of air cold - 22lbs hot.
- To fit these tires – the fenders were flared out by Raj at Discovery Auto Collision discover-auto-collision.com 519 780 2099


Aero:

- P1 Ground effects front splitter from Special Projects Motorsport www.specialprojectsms.com (contact Jeff ‘Kiwi’ Owen - kiwi@specialprojectsms.com)
- APC rear CF wing with custom fabbed anchors through the rear hatch – made by Garth at Webber Chassis (519 513 0350). Will sit about a foot and a half behind the rear window and follow the roofline and made from aluminum.
- Buddy Club carbon fiber vented hood. I put this in aero because we plan to direct the air that comes out of the rad and direct it through the hood – (John at Optionjdm.com 416 297 5788)
- R-Crew aluminum front carnards – not sure if these will help much, but going to try back to back testing to see what happens
- Might try a flat bottom and a rear diffuser later in the season.


Interior:

- Momo carbon fiber race bucket seat;
- New belts through Jeff Brown at JRP – jrponline.com 905 822 RACE (on order)
- JDM Works Bell steering wheel adaptor
- JDM Splash thin quick release;
- 60mm steering wheel extension;


Bling bits:

- SiR front grille;
- SiR front lip;
- SiR front bumper;
- Spoon mirrors
- C-West carbon fiber race mirror, custom door mount method.


Data Logging:

- G2X Pro sourced from Jeff Brown at JRPonline.com - monitors oil temps, oil pressure, water temp and creates a GPS map of your runs, lines and lap times so you can see what adjustments actually save time and what ones don't.


Track tuning:

- Only guessing on how the car will handle at this point. Have no experience with these tires or how this new aero will affect performance. Proper data logging is key. Just cuz something feels fast doesn’t make it fast.

DC2-ProdUcTiOnS

iTrader: (2)

am i dreaming? did you just write down and plan out everything that i would want to do when i build my track car? Sure looks like it!



looks like you've got a great start....Now watch you bank account deplete, and your car become absolutely re-dic.....

good luck and keep us posted...

MonkeyMagic

x2

RRRex

Here's the new wing anchoring system we bought and what it looks like installed on the another car that is also installing it. The system works anchors through the hatch door and onto the floor of the vehicle. The advantage being the downforce is generated from clean air, and force is applied further back making it far more effective than a roof mounted system.

kp

Thumbs up for a local! Sounds like you have some solid plans in the works. A specific deadline/goal is always good too, stay on track!

CivicSD

Downforce? Comeon what do you think, we are stupid?

The whole car is overkill for a weak *** motor. My daily driver is probably faster than this thing!

kp

Nice signature bud. Ironic?

CivicSD

come on alanis just look at the wing !!

revhardallday

i thought rear spoilers where more for rear wheel drive cars.. to push the drive wheels down at high speeds

blaze_125

and high speed stability on any type of cars.(assuming the wing is properly used and setup)
Saying a wing, or spoiler (or call it whatever) does nothing on a front wheel drive car only shows how some people are trying to "fit in" saying whatever the guy beside him said. It's plain ignorance.

Doesn't matter if you drive a fwd, or a rwd. When you drive your car part of the airflow runs above your car, part of it runs below.

Air under your car is a bad thing! The airflow under your car will create lift.That's the main reason why people lower their cars. Ok, I'll give you that. People lower their cars to look "cool", but the reason behind lowering a car is to reduce the quantity of air that runs under your ride to reduce lift. Some will reduce lift by using body kits that get really close to the ground, some will rely on suspension settings, some will rely on both.

Then you've got the airflow above your car. That's the airflow that creates downforce. Wing, or wingless. This portion of the airflow creates downforce regardless. Depending how you set it up, a wing will either reduce or increase downforce. Downforce will keep you planted on the road.

My own personal example.
My Lancer has a sunroof that can either be tilted, or slid open. If I use the tilt position, the stability of the car at higher rates of speed is crap. Because when tilted, the sunroof sort of acts as a spoiler because it changes the path of the airflow over the car. If it was designed a little better and tilted at a proper angle, it would most likely improve stability.

Now... you can't just slap a wing on a car and expect it to be perfect right out of the box. Most wings out there are indeed useless cause I don't think any of the people using them actually went through wind tunnel testing to ensure their wings were properly setup.

RRRex

Track driving is all about contact patch management. Idea being keep as much tire on the ground as possible. The front splitter we have on order forces more air over the top of the car creating front downforce - ie bigger contact patch. Without the rear wing, we'll create lift on the back - ie smaller contact patch. Once you hit a corner at speed, there's a very real risk of the back end snapping the car around 180 degrees. With the wing the faster you go, the more downforce you create, the more tire gets pushed down to the ground, the bigger your contact with the road. Aero has very little affect below 45 miles/hour BTW. The downside to any aero mods however is it creates drag. The wing and the splitter will slow you down on the straight-aways, but you more than make up for it in the corners - if and only if, your aero has been properly designed.

Here's a great article from the guys who designed our front air dam/splitter. It also explains how we're using our vented hood to help generate downforce and how a rear defuser creates suction - read downforce - on the backend of the car while generating little drag. You'll notice how Lambos and other exotic cars no longer have big spoilers on them now, yet the backends still stay planted at speed.

RRRex

Here's an update on the cage. All work done by Garth at Webber Chassis - 519-404-9722 - www.webberchassis.com. He's been awesome to deal with so far and has gone above and beyond the call of duty picking up the vehicle and adjusting to changes. A few unforeseen set backs came up but he was true to his word and is delivering the car on time and on budget. He's also the guy who sorted out and installed the wing mount. Cost was 900 installed if anyone is interested. Finished pictures to come.



The old cage anchored to the floor so here's it being cut out and filled in. Not the ideal place to be anchored.



Plates being mounted. CASC-OR requires all cages be mounted to plates. Drastically improve the safety of the cage with very little extra weight added.



Here's the new crossbar.



New seatbelt anchor. All the x'ing still needs to be done and pictures of that should be coming tonight probably.

RRRex

More from my cage upgrade:

redlinetuning

OP: Cool thread. Cage is looking good too.

to the guy talking smack about your car being faster than this? sure, maybe it is. But this a purpose built car for tracking. The wing has function and by no means was it intended to be a show queen.

lponcian5799

FINALLY a function-built honda, not like the rest of the hard-parkers on this site

EG6KILIN

nice build so far

EK MONEY

iTrader: (5)

What about lowered center of gravity? Wouldnt that be another benifit to lowering a car besides just the looks? Just curious

blaze_125

It most likely does, but I didn't feel confident enough to insert that into my previous post.
I'm not an engineer or anything, so I rather stay quiet on on stuff I don't feel confident about lol and the bashing was around the wing which has to do with airflow, not center of gravity(although they probably corelate at some point)

But yeah, center of gravity is a benefit, but I doubt the end benefit outweights the befenits of the airflow. The center of gravity on a car(not a monster truck) is already really close to the ground. So if you were to take the following 2 example:

Airflow VS Center of gravity
1: stock body, lowered
2: aftermarket skirts closer to the ground, stock height

I think #2 would be more effective than #1.
My thinking behind that is based on a documentary I saw a while back. The documentary was about F1 technologies throughout the years, and they spent a good half hour on aerodynamics.

At some point in history, they added "skirts" to the racing cars. The skirt would move up and down according to road condition to ensure the least air would get under the car. They kept the cars at the same height, they just added the skirts. The lift created by the airflow under the car was pretty much inexistant and the wings and splitters were creating mad downforce. That technology was actually written off because car were too fast in corners.(the videos for that portion of the show were black&white so that gives you a time frame)

Based on that, I feel confident saying that a controlled airflow will outweight the benefits of a lower center of gravity. On the other hand, dropping a car helps on both accounts; center of gravity, and airflow. But I think airflow is what actually makes the biggest difference. Don't forget that dropping a car will also help with body roll and such. Not really because the center of gravity is lower. Dropping usually help body roll because people use stiffer springs, and stiffer stuts.

If corrections are needed, I'm sure someone will hope in here and set the record straight.

RRRex

Lowering your car a little bit has its advantages. Lowering your car too much has more disadvantages than advantages. You drastically reduce the shock travel limiting your suspension's ability to do its job and limit the car's ability to stay planted on the ground. On bumpy tracks and roads your contact patches can fluctuate so drastically the car becomes really hard to control and even dangerous. We run about an 1 1/4 to an 1 1/2 lower than stock and correct the lca geometry with taller BJs. Any lower in my experience, you might as well pull off your shocks and run go-cart styles.

fc3srx729

nice build...

RRRex

Cage is done and looks awesome. Pictures to come. The strut tower braces have been re-enforced and anchored to the floor and side door bars have also been anchored and re-enforced to the floor. The wing mount has been installed. Incredible piece and a great value at $900 installed. Amazing amount of work craftsmanship on that piece. All work courtesy of Garth Webb at Webber chassis. www.webberchassis.com

The car is now in at discovery for 3" fender flares and a paint re-fresh. Interior is going to be a flat dark gunmetal gray.

RRRex

Webber Chassis dropped the car off to Raj at Discovery Auto Collision for paint and body work. They've been incredible to deal with and very professional. Some of their other builds are incredible. They've got a late 60's Camero tube frame road race chassis in there that's just mind boggling. The Compass 360 race cars are in there now getting work done as well.




Side bars are now anchored to the cage.

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The Xing is also anchored to the floor and the shock tower brace.



Camera mount was also installed for the filming of race car ****.

RRRex

The wing mount is also completed. The wing now sits out as far as possible in clean air and applies the down force as far back as possible.

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The roof mounted wing will be removed by the way and there will only be the one wing so don't rib me on running a double decker spoiler. :D

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Here's how the wing is anchored to the trunk. There's steel piping that goes through the trunk and connects to an anchoring system behind the door.

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Here's the anchoring system behind the door. It connects to the chassis on either side of the door. The plates in the center keep the door from carrying the entire load from the wing.

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And.. check this out... the trunk still opens.

RRRex

Engine details are next. This motor was completely assembled and ported by Dale Cseskey at Import Specialist (705 326 1000 - www.importspecialist.ca) and all machine work was done by Gord Bush Performance (www.gordbushperformance.com)



- GSR Head
- Shaved 30 thou
- Ported and polished
- 3 angle radius valve job
- 34.5mm Buddy Club intake valves
- Ferrea exhaust valves
- Skunk2 Pro valve springs
- Skunk2 Stage 2 Pro Cams
- Skunk2 Timimg Gears
- Skunk2 manifold, ported and port matched
- 70mm BDL throttle body
- ARP Head bolts
- CompTech Tri-Y header
- B20 block
- BDL Block guard
- 84.5mm 11.5 to 1 compression flat top pistons
- Golden Eagle oil feed kit
- Eagle Rods
- lighten and balance crank
- 7lb cromoly flywheel, balanced
- ACT xtreme clutch, balanced
- Moroso track oil pan

Everything has been clayed and timed so clearances are good. Also every bearing has been mic'd for clearances as well.



As far as the tranny goes, we have 2. A 4.7 FD JDM ITR with a Quaife LSD and a 4.9 FD JDM SIR also with a Quaife LSD. Transmission rebuilt and installation also done by Dale Cseskey.

DownShiftPerformDC2

Looks like a good setup. G/L with it.