bopbop93030

Hi,

My sister in laws 2000 civic dx was quoted by a honda mechanic who does side jobs for $760 to replace the idle control valve and o2 sensor.

He is using oem honda parts.

Now is this too much or fair price?

And he does Timing Belt for $550 (water pump replace and all)

Thanks

Mashimaro

iTrader: (1)

sounds like he is charging you full retail pricing on the parts if you're paying that much money.

jawsiiv

Your paying retail, and putting his kids through private grade school for those prices..... I have done both projects(timing belt and water pump in the last week) and neither are worth those prices, even with using OEM parts. Check around town, the labor may be the same, but the price for parts may not.

teamvirus

i would do it myself, but maybe thats why my car falls apart alot

D;

trustdestruction

It's a ripoff. IACV, and O2 sensor are very, very easy and shouldn't take more than a few minutes each. You can rent an O2 sensor socket set from an auto parts store (you can't get a regular socket over the wire, and you can't get leverage in that small area with an open end wrench) and you get your money back when you return it. IACV's are like $70 brand new OEM Honda, and O2 sensors are like $200 (idk?).

I'd say the timing belt's not that bad of a price. If you don't want to work on the car for a whole day, i'd get them to do it.

bopbop93030

Could you tell me where I can find the this idle sensor and I'll take a look at it, Is it somewhere in the throttle body?

rsnupt82

um... iacv is about 190... o2 sensor is garbage...... i don't know the price cause i've never found the need to replace it.... either way... the price sounds even....... retail.....

but........ i think he can give u a better price.

6footmidget

man, i could do those things for you if you were local, you just pay for parts, the O2 sensor is on your headers on the exhaust manifold, and the IACV is behind the intake manifold, google it its really simple to take off, its two bolts at 10mm i think 10 or 12 and then you just take off the tubes that connect it reallly simple

bopbop93030

do you need special tool to remove the O2 sensor or just plain adjustable wrench?

Lets say that I'm able to do all this things, how will I able to reset the ECU so I can remove the CEL?

Will removing the Negative on the battery work?

trustdestruction

I was thinking of my FITV, I don't know why.

There's only one header on your car, it's an inline 4 cylinder.

Like I said: "You can rent an O2 sensor socket set from an auto parts store (you can't get a regular socket over the wire, and you can't get leverage in that small area with an open end wrench) and you get your money back when you return it."


Remove the ECU fuse from the under the hood fuse box for 15 seconds and then put it back in. Start your engine and allow it to warm up without touching the throttle until it does.

honda.lioness

Part 2 in .

The IACV became the EACV about 1992. Then Honda started installing the RACV, which is what you have.

Also for a good photo see https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/cleaning-racv-d16y7-2253499/

But before you replace the RACV, fill and purge the cooling system, following the shop manual's instructions exactly. Low coolant or air in the coolant will prevent the IACV/EACV/RACV from operating correctly.

Buy a Denso OEM sensor from http://densoproducts.com/resultsApp.asp. Borrow an O2 sensor wrench from Autozone using their tool loan program. O2 sensor socket wrenches are special because they have a slot up the side so the sensor wire will not be damaged when removing and installing the sensor.

Resetting the ECU: http://media.honda.co.uk/car/owner/m.../pdf/11-14.pdf

Do the codes and other symptoms really indicate these parts have failed?

jeremyrocksursox

heres the how to to clean your iacv:https://honda-tech.com/forums/acura-integra-6/%2A%2A%2Ahow-clean%2A%2A%2A-your-iacv-k-idle-air-control-valve-1575913/ , its really simple and will save you a butt load of money, all you have to do is but brake cleaner if you don't already have it

Vindicator9000

I've used an open-ended wrench to pull an O2 sensor several times. It's possible, but not real fun. OEM O2 sensors tend to be very expensive (like some are $400-500), but bosch has a universal one available for like $90. It just requires a small amount of wire splicing. I've been running one for 4 years with no problems.

You can get a used IACV off ebay or from a junkyard for $15-30. I got my last one from ebay for $25. Or you can clean the one you have as someone else mentioned.


So, I think that the mechanic's estimate is probably in the ballpark for retail parts. It sounds like he's charging you 1 labor for each job (since they're in totally different areas of the car), plus $480-ish for the O2, plus 190-ish for the IACV. 100+480+190=770. He's definitely not cutting you any breaks or trying to find a cheaper way to do something.

honda.lioness

I see many negative reports on Bosch sensors in Hondas, plus the OEM Denso direct plug (no splicing) is cheaper. Glad your Bosch seems to be working, but I would not roll the dice on one.

bopbop93030

Thanks all

Vindicator9000

I've heard negative reports about them too, but never had a problem. I bought it because at the time, OReilley's, Autozone, and Honda quoted me over $400 for an OEM sensor, but $90 for the bosch.

Checking majestic honda right now, they want $183 each for o2 sensors, which is better, but still expensive. I'm curious - where have you found them cheaper than bosch?

honda.lioness

www.densoproducts.com, like I wrote above :-). I think the online sensor offerings by www.densoproducts.com are a fairly recent development. A few years ago I found www.automedicsupply.com had Denso OEM sensors for far less than the dealer and used them. This past summer I found Amazon was carrying many of the Denso OEM sensors that Hondas use and bought one through it. Then last month or so I found www.densoproducts.com was beating about everyone I found. The one caveat is that Denso is not necessarily OEM for newer Hondas. Denso may still work for these Hondas; it is just that the original one may have a name other than Denso's on it.

bopbop93030

Ok. I remove the ECU fuse under the hood and the CEL is still there. Any idea?

I already cleaned the ICV.

Vindicator9000

It will still be there if your car is continuously throwing the code. You'll very likely have to replace both parts.

bopbop93030

I have not replaced the O2 sensor yet. Thats probably it.

I'll do that next time, the car is already registered and wont be needing a smog check but now that the idle is smooth and runs great, what a very big difference just cleaning the ICV.