radiotech

Just hydrolocked my engine and seemingly bent a rod. Have a new shortblock lined up to go in. The engine is a B20b with a gsr head in an EG hatch

Because I'm reusing the head, my plan us to remove it first since it will need to be put on the new block. Then at that point the block needs to come out. Searching around, it seems most people recommend removing the engine and trans together when pulling it out. Some people however say it goes fine if you can support the trans and have a cherry picker.

is my situation changed because it will just be a shortblock at that point? Having just had the head off recently for some valve work it looked like it would just be a matter of unbolting it from the trans and pulling it up. Or will it still be harder even if it's just the block at that point?

JRCivic1

It is much easier to work outside of the engine bay instead of in it... I would pull the entire powertrain and transfer all necessary parts from the old engine to the new shortblock and then put it all back in.

eghatch9295

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sure, it's possible. problem is it is about the same amount of work to pull everything vs leave the trans in place. axles still have to come off.

tony_2018

waste of time, take the whole damn thing out.

NVturbo

it takes the same amount of time just removing the longblock out as opposed to the entire engine/tranny. Make life easier for yourself and remove the entire thing.

tony_2018

Not to mention easy to mate the tranny to the long block outside of the engine.

Red-Ricer

a short block can easily be lifted out of the car by hand. so if you dont have a lift theres your answer lol

NVturbo

a longblock is heavier than a transmission and that itself is heavy as **** to lift by hand. Not sure you're talking about. Must be referring to a GEO Metro engine.

tony_2018

A bare short block? Sure might be lighter. But someone forgot one main thing when you try to remove components from the short block to make it lighter.

Red-Ricer

come on guys ive never even gone to the gym yet ive done transmissions and engines without hoists or tranny jacks. theyre not that heavy.

tony_2018

Keep trolling dumbass, everyone whose taken apart their engine knows this one fact that keeps them from doing what the op wanting to do.

JRCivic1

Red Ricer, I am not sure why you are making this an argument... you have an opinion and others like tony have one too... and just because they differ doesn't make either of you wrong. It can be done... but WHY ??? Without removing the upper transmission mount, it will be difficult to separate the shortblock from the transmission... specifically, clearing the splines of the trans input shaft with the clutch and flywheel still bolted to the crankshaft. How about dis-assembly and re-assembly of the engine itself ??? Is it easier to do it within the confines of the engine bay or on an engine stand or pallet ???

If this is the only way the OP thinks it can be done... then go to it. If the OP's idea is that pulling only the shortblock and leaving the trans in car is LESS work... he would be wrong. If it was an automatic transmission... maybe. Manual... no way.

tony_2018

I'm not gonna go into detail until someone goes into detail on how to remove a shortblock w/o removing the tranny. I mean, whats the head gonna sit on? Remember title said 'short block'

NVturbo

Have you ever removed the transmission while the longblock is left in the engine bay? Try removing it without damaging the tranny or yourself. Go ahead muscle man.

h22a4sol

You can remove the transmission while the engine is still in car but there's no point to it. You have to detach everything anyway so why not just pull the whole thing out at the same time, swap everything over to the new block and re-install.

stop making things harder than it should be. You will damage more stuff trying to shortcut your way around things. So what if you have to buy some trans oil. Stop being cheap and get it done the right way. I've done it all kinds of ways even with a hoist and it's so much easier to swap everything over while the engine is out of the car.

and yes, you can lift a bare block right out the engine bay like nothing. Done it with my H22 several times by hand. Heavy? Sure but you can do it.