AntiStock

I have a 97 HX coupe with the current engine setup:

JDM GSR shortblock (b18c)
Approx 11.8:1 compression
B16 pistons
New rings
New bearings
New thrust washers
ARP headstuds
Cometic headgasket
New oil pump and tensioner
P28 ECU. Socketed with Kenji ITR program.
B16 second gen head.
Omni Flat faced valves
Omni dual valve springs
Omni retainers
Blox intake manifold
ITR injectors
JDM ITR red valve cover
B16 cams
JDM DC Sports header w/ 2.5" collector
JDM Omni test pipe
Apex'i World Sport 2 cat back exhaust
Short CAI (too many puddles around here)

I was thinking about adding a set of Skunk2 Stage 1 cams and an S200 system with a good tune (or something similar since there aren't any Hondata tuners around me at all). This is my only car right now...I don't have much of a commute to and from work right now, but to get anywhere else is a hike (so I need to maintain some sense of daily drivability, such as 25+ mpg). I honestly don't know how much power I'm making right now, or how much to expect after these mods. My question is, with my current setup, how big of a difference in power would these cams and a tune make? If it's not going to be noticeable, I won't waste my money, so I really appreciate your input and insight. Thanks!

O RLY

With your setup and an S200 tune...well...

Stage 2s would probably get you gains of 8-12 BHP 6-9 ft/lbs TQ

Stage 3s, I'd expect 15-18 BHP and maybe as much as 14 ft/lbs TQ.

I basically have the same setup as you. I have Crower Stage 2 turbo cams in my N/A H22. I dropped my compression down to 9.1:1. I'm planning on putting my turbo on in March, but I still made 163 whp and 154 ft/lbs tuned on my S200. That's basically stock H22 power, so I'm assuming if I would have left my 10.6:1 pistons in, I'd be seeing 180+ hp, so the cams picked up the slack.

Heylookits shawn

b16 cams have the least lift of all b series cams, so even moving up to itr cams you would probably see a 5-10 hp gain. higher comp motors like big cams

O RLY

63412-2 Stage 2 - Road/Rally & Street/Strip.
Most Popular for all-motor applications.
Requires #84161 spring/retainer kit.
Rough idle. VTEC controller recommended.
rpm 1000-9500+
18-21 hp w/other mods
Int- 311 mid
Exh-308 mid Int- 255 mid
Exh-248 mid Int- 466 mid
Exh-466 mid

63413-2 Stage 3 - All-Motor Drag Race profile.
Requires #84161 spring/retainer kit with modified ECU.
Rough idle. VTEC controller recommended.
23+ hp w/other mods
Int- 305 mid
Exh-305 mid Int- 263 mid
Exh-255 mid Int- 468 mid
Exh-468 mid

Crower specs. A friend and myself are the only two people I know with Crowers, but they have a pretty good reputation.

fmrprojects

i'd go with the st 2 cams cause the b16 cams arnt gonna make power.

AntiStock

The crower stage 2s or the Skunk2 stage 2s? Do you think that I could install a set of ITR cams and not need the tuning (since it already has the ITR program with the ECU)? Is it even possible to get ITR cams in the B16 head? Sorry, I'm kind of lost when it comes to swaps and what is and is not compatible (bought the car this way)


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AntiStock

4am bump...just need those last questions answered and I should be good to go!

sauceja

If you get the 2000-01 ITR cams they have the biggest lift. That is what I am using.
They will fit and if you do change cams its a good time to consider timing belt/water pump job and also cam gears. Any time you change something tuning "should" be done.

Also ITR injectors are the same as B16 injectors as far as volume. The prelude injectors are I think 290cc but I believe the 92-95 or 96 would be peak and hold and the type S injectors are 340ish cc but not sure if those are p&h or saturated but that would be a bigger stock injector.
I am not sure on the cc's but I found out they are bigger than B series and definately worth thinking about compared to RC 310's.

doood

iTrader: (1)

what are your power goals and what is your budget? this will better help us help you.

i dont know how far away troy is from you, but check out payn tech

SkoundrelUSA

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I have basically the same exact setup (just different brands on valvetrain and **** like that) and I'm running Skunk2 Stage2s. Idle is not too bad, made 195whp. Pretty good cams in my opinion, but I'm thinking about going to the Pro 1s b/c I want more power.

You can put the ITRs in without tuning but you won't make the power you want. And yes the ITR cams fit in a B16 head. They fit in any B-series VTEC head.

AntiStock

Thanks for all the help. I'm not really looking for a whole lot of power...if I got somewhere in the 180whp range I'd be thrilled. Budget is the key word...I never keep a car too long (look at the sig) so spending a whole lot of money on one car just isn't practical anymore.

Also, Payne used to tune my old GSR, but they went out of business about two years ago.

SkoundrelUSA

Just 180whp? Pretty low goal for the setup you already have. Then just get CTRs.

AntiStock

Well, that's what I would be happy with. Like I said...this will still be my daily driver, so it can't be too crazy. I'm just looking for a little more in the midrange and up top, where it dies off dramatically with the current setup. If I went with the ITR cams, would I be around 190whp?

SkoundrelUSA

You probably will be able to hit 190 with ITRs but it depends on your engine management and who tunes it. I only made 195 with my S2S2 but it was also tuned on a POS VAFC.

Unless you get some ridiculous cams, they aren't going to effect daily driving too much. I commute to school/work everyday. Its been holding up fine. I get average 28mpg highway with a S4C tranny.

Just go for the Skunk2 Stage2s then. They're pretty good "D.D." cams

Tatakai

i wouldn't go more than stage 2's, stage 3's are on the "rediculous" end, where you'll have to have a lumpy idle @ 1200rpm when warm. not exactly the best daily driver. that's a pretty good setup, with a good tune and stage 2's i could see 200whp

you don't have any shops around you? i know my local shop tunes everything (free ecu programs FTW, i use chrome )

AntiStock

The closest shop that I would even consider taking my car to is 2 hours away, and they don't have a mustang dyno...they have a dyno jet or something (the one without rollers...just has something that attaches to the hub)

doood

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that's a dynapak. very useful for tuning part throttle.