evz

Hi all, am a noob here and am not on top wen it comes to under the hood.
Ive got a B16b in what was a 1.4 civic illusion.
Its lowered 70mil, on 17's, lambo doors, carbon bonnet, door cards, 90% full body kit change, buckets and harnesses, Im waiting for a 8 point cage and help on the turbo side.

Im after help on a stage 2 / 3 turbo setup on the b16b.

I know that its possible to have a b16b with a stage 3 setup with manual boost but im no petrol head so i have no idea what i need.

So far its;

8 pot front and back disc conversion
Greddy stage 3 turbo setup
540 bhp driveshafts
540 bhp clutch setup
uprated oil pump
valve train
high pressure fuel pump
550cc injectors

Stage 3;
cams
forged pistons
eagle rods
valves,valve guides and seals
cam seals

any help from you guys is greatly apprciated.

Libertariat

I hope those are low compression pistons. 10.8:1 is kinda high for boost.

And what is a "stage 3"

Many companies definitions of stage 3 differ. What's the size of the turbo?

I hope you don't plan on daily driving with a roll cage. Bad Idea.

EJ1chevelle

^^^ what he said... dont boost that thing over 8 to 10psi or it will pop. with a stage 3 turbo kit you will probably need 8.5:1 to 9:1 compression and new rods made for boost... read up before you do this and get yourself in trouble. how many pounds you plan on running and what size turbo??

evz

The cars going to be on the road maybe twice a week but is mainly going to be used for track.
the one ive been looking at is the rev hard T04E Hybrid Turbo(eff. to 450hp)
7psi that is.
thanks

sorry forgot to add, the turbo adds in range of 120 hp 285 ft/lbs

Bense

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93egB16A &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^^ what he said... dont boost that thing over 8 to 10psi or it will pop. with a stage 3 turbo kit you will probably need 8.5:1 to 9:1 compression and new rods made for boost... read up before you do this and get yourself in trouble. how many pounds you plan on running and what size turbo??</TD></TR></TABLE>

no

EJ1chevelle

ok there is no way you will make 450HP on 7 psi. my buddy has a hatch w/ a D16Z6 fully built on 28 psi making just over 460HP

evz

Im looking for suggestions as of where to go with the project, what upgrades etc . Im not saying im going to be hitting whatever hp or whatever ft/lbs, just need help building the engine up into a beast
peace

EJ1chevelle

if you want to build it into a "beast" and wanna aim for 450HP then be prepared to spend some money. lower the compression and build a bottom end strong enough for 40psi so it is reliable. then you will need to get new cams and all that stuff to accomidate the forced air. do some research on all this and figure out how big of a turbo you want to run. quick spool or late spool with big kick.

Bense

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93egB16A &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok there is no way you will make 450HP on 7 psi. my buddy has a hatch w/ a D16Z6 fully built on 28 psi making just over 460HP </TD></TR></TABLE>

only if you have a stupid gigantic turbo

philosofy1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93egB16A &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you want to build it into a "beast" and wanna aim for 450HP then be prepared to spend some money. lower the compression and build a bottom end strong enough for 40psi so it is reliable. then you will need to get new cams and all that stuff to accomidate the forced air. do some research on all this and figure out how big of a turbo you want to run. quick spool or late spool with big kick. </TD></TR></TABLE>

build the bottom end for 40psi so it can be reliable? isn't that kind of exaggertaing it a bit.

EJ1chevelle

^^^ yes exageration alot but just so he gets what my point is.... he is a lil bit confused on exactly how a turbo and psi work with compression and a bottom end.

philosofy1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93egB16A &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^^ yes exageration alot but just so he gets what my point is.... he is a lil bit confused on exactly how a turbo and psi work with compression and a bottom end.</TD></TR></TABLE>

if he seems confused, then you should be providing proper info and guidance. not posting magical psi#'s and saying it's reliable.

evz

the pistons i have in mind are for b16b capable of upto 35psi, which i wudnt be going anywhere near, and theyre also capable of 900hp,
therl be no downsides going higher power ratings than you need with cams and pistons etc will there apart from the account balance?
but as you say i will have to research into compression ratios end everything else to try and work out how its to all come together.


edit - I cant reply anymore (says no mor than 5 posts per day) so this my last post for today the pistons are je pistons from CNC with 8.0, 9.0, 9.8, 10.7, 11.5 and 12.2 comprssion ratios available


Modified by evz at 2:29 PM 8/22/2007

EJ1chevelle

i did tell him stuff about compression with that post and what to do for lowering it and building....

philosofy1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by evz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I know that its possible to have a b16b with a stage 3 setup with manual boost but im no petrol head so i have no idea what i need.


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it's nice that you have an idea on what you want, but it's nothing if you don't get the right ecu and tune it.

tuning is the key to reach the goal you have in mind.

EJ1chevelle

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by evz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the pistons i have in mind are for b16b capable of upto 35psi,</TD></TR></TABLE>

what kind of pistons are those??? 35psi is crazy. what compression ratio are they?? i have a doubt that they are for 35psi...i was exagerating when i said 40 psi of boost. sorry if you misunderstood what i said.

doood

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93egB16A &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what kind of pistons are those??? 35psi is crazy. what compression ratio are they?? i have a doubt that they are for 35psi...i was exagerating when i said 40 psi of boost. sorry if you misunderstood what i said. </TD></TR></TABLE>

stop saying psi! pistons dont care if you're throwing 5psi or 100psi at them. they can go to **** at either.

Libertariat

amen, pistons don't break. rods, crank bearings, and rod bolts break. LOL

doood

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> pistons don't break. </TD></TR></TABLE>

cast pistons break. forged pistons melt.

Libertariat

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cast pistons break. forged pistons melt. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I know, but how often does that happen in stock engines?

doood

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek forever guy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know, but how often does that happen in stock engines?</TD></TR></TABLE>

ricers are a tricky bunch

Libertariat

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doood &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ricers are a tricky bunch</TD></TR></TABLE>

Especially the vtec cross-over changing, rev limit removing, hydro-locking kind.

95ProjectEJ1

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With all that kid has listed Im imagining some $30k riced out civic...

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