1999CivicSi

heres the deal..i have a 2000 integra ls..i figured civic people would know more than integra people cuz a b16 is a civic motor..anyway friend is gonna sell me a jdm b16 with a b18b tranny and all black gsr leather interior for only $1300 and i personally think a b16 is better to work with all motor than a b18b..and i used to have a si so i know the motor a bit just not familiar with swaps..the b16 is obd1 and mine is obd2..he said i would need a obd1 si ecu and a jumper harness..and it should fit in my car perfectly..what i need to know is how is this setup? anyone have it..i would plan on getting a diff. tranny in the future but is this setup better or no?? need some info and suggestions please and what else is needed for the swap? and will i pass emissions still if its obd1??

SVOboy

I'd say make an ls vtec, since you already have the ls.

Anyway, with the jumper harness and ecu you will be converted to obd1, which is good. But you can always unplug the harness and throw the stock ecu in for inspection so you don't fail.

1999CivicSi

thanks for the help..id rather not do lsvtec..cuz idk how to do it and no one around where i live does

1999CivicSi

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r2d97

If you put that motor in that heavy integra it will be slow unless you go with ls/vtec. A b16 has no torque. I would suggest saving your money for a jdm b18c or turbo your ls. Its up to you. If you decide to go this route You should be able to use you existing mounts and just convert it to obd 1.

1999CivicSi

i doesnt have that much less tourque..ls have 124 jdm b16 has 113..thats not that big of deal to me..i just think the b16 is a better motor to work with

1999CivicSi

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black_EM1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1999CivicSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i doesnt have that much less tourque..ls have 124 jdm b16 has 113..thats not that big of deal to me..i just think the b16 is a better motor to work with </TD></TR></TABLE>

Comes down to personal preference, really. That 9 lb/ft of torque makes a big difference. If it were me, I'd just boost the LS and be done with it seeing as how you don't want to go LS/VTEC

fmrprojects

b16 with a LS tranny is gonna be hella slow. you are better off just running the LS. id buy it cause it sounds like a good deal and build it up and drop it in later

SlepT ej6

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SVOboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Anyway, with the jumper harness and ecu you will be converted to obd1, which is good. But you can always unplug the harness and throw the stock ecu in for inspection so you don't fail.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This doesnt make sense to me because if he cant use his stock wiring harness since hes obd2 and the motor is obd1, and if he uses an obd1 harness he cannot just swap out the ecu because i beleive he would throw codes, wouldnt he?

Correct me if im wrong..

And also the gearing on the ls is long and does not match the way a b16 is setup, because its tranny has short gears to help you stay in its power band...

Buy it because of the deal but dont put that setup in, do LS/V

1999CivicSi

he said he had everything for an ls/v setup but im not to sure about that..i hear good and bad things about it..and i drive alot each day and i need a reliable car

1999CivicSi

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fmrprojects

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1999CivicSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he said he had everything for an ls/v setup but im not to sure about that..i hear good and bad things about it..and i drive alot each day and i need a reliable car</TD></TR></TABLE>

reliabilty on built motors depends on how its put together. if its halfed ***, then of course its gonna blow. one LS VTEC i did has like 25K on it still running strong. last hit a 12.8 in a 95 coupe

1999CivicSi

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blowme

ALright b16 has less torque, on top of that the ls tranny has a loooonnnnngg gear ratio so that tranny on that motor will be slow as **** probally just as good as the one thats in the car now.
I personally have owned a b16 and ls all motor and boosted
if i were you i would take that 1300 dollars buy the ebay turbo kit bolt it on your ls and tune it and be happy running low 13' maybe high 12's in a teg.
TRUST ME if you do that combo that your talking bout doin it's gonna suck ESPECIALLY with that trans, at least get a b16 trans thats the only way it will feel quicker if you get the b16 tranny vuz it has the shortest gear ratio and will put the power down faster

Targa250R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1999CivicSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and will i pass emissions still if its obd1??</TD></TR></TABLE>
If your area requires a system scan for emissions testing, then no, you won't pass.

1999CivicSi

i would never buy a ebay turbo kit..ever.and i did plan on buying a si tranny in the future

r2d97

Honestly i would buy a jdm b18c from hmotors and use the ls trans you have now. They are only 1700 for the long block. You could definitely sell your ls motor now and put that money towards a new motor purchase. You may save a few hundred dollars now, but in the long run you will be unhappy with having to rev your car up to 6k just to make an ounce of power. i have a 99 si and it is very hard to get up hills around where i live. It is also completely stock though. I had a 97 teg ls once and loved that 11 ft lbs that it had that my si doesn't have. It makes a difference. Honda put that motor in your teg for a reason. To me a b16 in a teg is a very bad idea and a waste of time. If you are looking for a reliable vehicle that is fun to drive, then swap out for the right motor. You can do whatever you like, but I am just looking out for you man.

1999CivicSi

thanks..i used to have an 99 si..and i miss that motor so much..i kinda wish i didnt settle for a ls..but i wanted a stock car..and finding a stock gsr is impossible..and it had to have low miles..im picky as hell..so i settled..i know someone who wants my motor now..but i didnt know that hmotors just sold the gsr motor for 1700 il have to look into that..u know if its odb2? i only see the complete swap on there website

BMacls

obd1 in a obd2 car will work you will have to check your mount the one on the motor might be different. you will not be passing emissions with going to obd1 so i hope you ahave a friend that handles emissions. and if you use your wiring harness you will have problem like no vtec plugs and you will have some plugs that will not be used. so get some help if this sounds like to much for you.

Lowteg609

The LS motor would be an easier platform to start with since its already in your car. u should just go ls turbo.

psychomantis

Like Blowme said, the LS tranny has longer gear ratios than a B16 tranny........with the b16/LS trans combo, in a race you're going to drop out of VTEC for a couple seconds with each shift due to the longer gearing. Boost that $hit or LS/VTEC FTW

blowme

i know ALOT of people hate the ebay turbo kits but when my car makes 450 hp and whoops your cars *** in a street or track race or even on the dyno for that fact you can't complain cuz i spent a 1/4 of the money on a turbo than someone else did for a name brand one.
just take car of your **** and it will be aight
i know alot of good running cars with those kits and heave ran thatm for a long time