steve_s

Okay guys I need your help on this. Well to start off the 2nd gear syncro on my d16z6 is bad and the engine is in need of a new oil pan, badly. I got an estiamte for the repairs (dont want to do the tranny work myself) and it comes out to 1800 dollars.

My dad being the nice guy he is offered to pay for the repairs. I then brought up the idea of doing an engine swap instead. He would give me the 1800 dollars and I would pay the difference. Except he refused to pay for an engine that he does not know where it has been and what has happened to it. How can I convince him that the engine I will be getting can be trusted.

I know some of you will say that if your dad is paying for it and everything that i should do what he wants me to do. I am willing to pay for the whole engine by myself, except the financial help would be appreciated. The car is under their name even though I paid for it so he could stop me from doing anything at all. So can you pleas give me some ideas to convince pops that the engine i will be getting can be trusted. Thanks guys.

ABK

well if you buy from places like HMOmotorsonline and so on, the trusted motor suppliers known for good reputation, the you should be able to return the motor if it's messed up. But most of the times you will get a good motor, if you don't I heard stories of people sending the motors back. BTW why don't you do the work yourself, and if you don't wonna dig in the tranny, just buy a used one for like $150. $1800 sounds too much. I can swap in a b18b in there or b20z for that much.

photec2

show him H-T and all the swaps people have done. Engines come with start-up warranties, and got to the websites and let your dad talk to the guys selling the engines and they will most likely talk him into it. well Good Luck!!

steve_s

Thanks for the help guys, yea i told him about how thousands of people have done it, and the startup warrenty and everything. He just wont take it.

I dont know if i wanna buy another used tranny, the one i have in now is a used one and its going bad. But i dont even want to think about that, what i want is a swap, which i will do myself.

zman

Check this out...read it and then have ur pops read it.
http://www.torontocivics.com/t...37554

mario82686

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!! I NEVER SEEN SO MANY DOHC VTEC MOTORS IN MY LIFE!!!

-auSTIn-

I dont understand why you father be willing to spend money on a used tranny and wont buy you a used motor? In the end your still buying used parts regardless...Why not just spend the 1800 on a whole motor that will probably be in better condition than your D series...
Have you tried to explain it to your dad that way? Maybe that will work...

P.S. That was a **** load of motors in that pic from the link above!!

93CivicSI

Buy a new oil pan from Honda, or from a junk yard - buy a used tranny from this board for a range of 100.00 to 250.00 depending on mileage and past life.... - done.... - save your dad some $$$ - and then you can save for your own swap...


my .02

Deemeetree

Tell your dad to kick himself in the ***** thinking about giving you $1800 to change an oil pan and a tranny. Actually, drive him down here and I'll do it for him. It's called responsibility.

You can get a used oil pan from a junk for cheap and a D16Z6 or D16Y8 tranny for $100-$400 here on H-T. Swap them both out yourself.

EE_Chris

So what happens when the swap doesn't work? Oh, the start-up gauruntee, right? What happens when he gives you 1800 bills, something breaks, perhaps the tranny...is he gonna give you money again for something he didn't want you to have in the first place?

You really think your pops wants to **** around with all that knowing that at the end of the day the easiest, cheapest, and probably the more reliable solution would be to source an oil pan and as used tranny? Hopefully you can understand your pops' reluctance as I'm sure priority #1 is too provide you with dependable transportation.

Just fix whatcha' got for the time being.

hybrid93SIvic

call steve from hmotorsonline.com and have him talk to your dad......after that...he will never say no i give a to steve and hmotorsonline

b16ahybrid

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EE_Chris &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So what happens when the swap doesn't work? Oh, the start-up gauruntee, right? What happens when he gives you 1800 bills, something breaks, perhaps the tranny...is he gonna give you money again for something he didn't want you to have in the first place?

You really think your pops wants to **** around with all that knowing that at the end of the day the easiest, cheapest, and probably the more reliable solution would be to source an oil pan and as used tranny? Hopefully you can understand your pops' reluctance as I'm sure priority #1 is too provide you with dependable transportation.

Just fix whatcha' got for the time being.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Agree'd. If you want a swap pay for it yourself like you stated you could. No convincing required.

Cain Marko

i say swap it, i dont care what anyone else thinks

kommon_sense

Given any thought to buying a swap and doing an oem rebuild on it? belts, gaskets, rehone, new rings, etc? Spending $1800 on a tranny and oil pan just seems ridiculous.

If you decide to repair the z6, then do your wallet a favor, buy some hand tools, helms manual and do it yourself.

Deemeetree

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turtlecx92 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i say swap it, i dont care what anyone else thinks </TD></TR></TABLE>

How spoiled little ***** think.

743power

you can get a z6 oilpan and z6/y8 tranny from a junkyard for like $250.

Your dad is right in his worries. You don't know what kind of motor you're getting unless you get it from a local junkyard, or a place like import auto salvage.

Start up garuantee doesn't mean crap.

Nikos

Talk your dad and ask him when was the last time he got excited about something? Tell him that all these years he has been working to support you and save for his retirement are coming to an end someday soon...


Tell him that you want to start a project with him that will be fun for both of you. Offer to put the title in his name and so on...

Now, instead trying to convinve him to let you do what thousands of other people have done, suggest something more unique..

Why not put a 2002 or 2003 engine in my car dad, since you are worried about the engine being used and old?

Then you explain to him about how long the b series is around VTEC and so on... Then once he looks at you with that "WTF are you talking about?" face you start talking about the new k series motor and how it is found on most of the new hondas like the accord, the civic, the RSX and the element...

Then you explain to him why I-vtec is so cool and go on explaining to him the differences betweem k and B series...

Finally, you show him something like this

Simple SOHC

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nikos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Talk your dad and ask him when was the last time he got excited about something? Tell him that all these years he has been working to support you and save for his retirement are coming to an end someday soon...


Tell him that you want to start a project with him that will be fun for both of you. Offer to put the title in his name and so on...

Now, instead trying to convinve him to let you do what thousands of other people have done, suggest something more unique..

Why not put a 2002 or 2003 engine in my car dad, since you are worried about the engine being used and old?

Then you explain to him about how long the b series is around VTEC and so on... Then once he looks at you with that "WTF are you talking about?" face you start talking about the new k series motor and how it is found on most of the new hondas like the accord, the civic, the RSX and the element...

Then you explain to him why I-vtec is so cool and go on explaining to him the differences betweem k and B series...

Finally, you show him something like this








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LMAO...thats how I suckered my dad into letting me get a swap if my engine blows. We already tried the rebuilt motor rutine on my stealth...and it's still not running. When I suggested a JDM Motor Swap...he is all for it after reading about it here on HT and talkin to someone at HMotorsOnline. I guess my dad is just easier to convince.

"Yeah dad...see how this B16a2 says 92-95 Civic...that means it's for my car in Japan"

My suggestion that no one mentioned yet is just build your SOHC for the money...then add a homemade turbo...and boost the hell out of it. Buy new pistons, rods, rings, bearings, and gaskets...then run like a T3 or T3/T4 and boost like 15lbs. You'll have more fun than with an NA DOHC.

steve_s

Okay to all you who say I am spoiled and my dad is an idiot for giving me the money you guys are wrong. I work 3 jobs and DO have the money for my own swap with my own money. I paid for my car and everything else in it myself so dont say ****. I earned every bit of it.

My dad just felt like being a nice guy and lend a helping hand, but he doesnt want me to get teh engine swap. Regardless if I pay for it or not, and he can stop me because the title is in his name.

He now says that the only reason he doesnt want me to get it is that he doesnt want me to have any more power in that car, he says its powerful enough (its slow as ****) lol. Ahhh this is really annoying me.

leadtrum

he's right in worrying, i got a motor from import auto salvage, known for their reputable motors and what not.

motor was clean and what not but just gave up after awhile, i suspect it has been rebuilt because the sleeve's cracked but the pistons and everything were brand new looking.

anywho, you can't garauntee anything when you buy a used motor. even from a reliable source, they're only human and a bad one may slip by them once in a blue moon. but the place i mentioned offers to replace things and so does hmo...so that at least gets you a new motor if something goes down but can you and your dad afford the downtime and extra labor for an extra motor swap?

there's a lot of things involved, me personally i'd wait a little longer while k series motors start dropping in prices and see how the market goes. with patience you may end up with a k series swap for a more reasonable price and have a great setup. you can honestly buy an entire d series motor for 500 bucks so 1800 for an oil pan and tranny is a little excessive.

good luck with whatever you do, i say wait on the k series to come down in price more.

SkyeC

I'd just buy a new oil pan and tranny and be done with it...

then, move out, and save money to do the swap yourself... your parents' house, your parents' rules... and it's even in their name, yet you paid for it? that was stupid.

steve_s

By the time the k series prices drop Ill prob have a new ride. The 1800 is mainly in labor. I know its expensive but I dont want to dig into the tranny. Ehhh ill talk with him a little bit more.

AMG

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by leadtrum &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he's right in worrying, i got a motor from import auto salvage, known for their reputable motors and what not.

motor was clean and what not but just gave up after awhile, i suspect it has been rebuilt because the sleeve's cracked but the pistons and everything were brand new looking.

anywho, you can't garauntee anything when you buy a used motor. even from a reliable source, they're only human and a bad one may slip by them once in a blue moon. but the place i mentioned offers to replace things and so does hmo...so that at least gets you a new motor if something goes down but can you and your dad afford the downtime and extra labor for an extra motor swap?

there's a lot of things involved, me personally i'd wait a little longer while k series motors start dropping in prices and see how the market goes. with patience you may end up with a k series swap for a more reasonable price and have a great setup. you can honestly buy an entire d series motor for 500 bucks so 1800 for an oil pan and tranny is a little excessive.

good luck with whatever you do, i say wait on the k series to come down in price more.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Yea, but most of you are missing his point. Its not about the used motor issue, its about the power of a bigger motor.

Why do we want to swap a motor in our car?
B/c it will yeild more horsepower.

And how do companies get us to buy their motors?
More powerful race engine replacement for your sohc motor.

So I can understand where his dad is comming from b/c my dad is the same way. When I did my swap and told him the hp results, he was happy, but at the same time concerned. He kept asking me:

why do you want that much more power?

Why did you remove your a/c when you did the swap?

I thought you said that was the last part you were gonna put on it?

Needless to say, when he finally drove the car, he was hooked! He is just concerned about me being 20 yrs old and being reckless, which I like for him to worry about, b/c a good dad is supposed to do that.

Ohh he has a 2003 civic si and after driving my car, he is planning on putting a turbo kit on when the warrenty is up. He had a 1990 mitsu eclips turbo that had 300,000 miles and never one problem! He says he cant feel that power out of the civic compared to mine, but loves the suspension! They have a 3 series bimmer and he says the steering and corner response are just as good!

Cain Marko

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riiiight im a spoiled little **** too bad i found a wrecked gsr with a good engine for 1000$, that makes me spoiled , keep talkin ****, someday someone will care about what you have to think

TrickHonda98

try http://JDMSHIT.com great stuff, great price.
but all i have ever bought from there is some bumper clips and a valve cover, their engine prices seem reasonable.