tthoj

hey guys,

So after finishing up my swap, and driving it for a few weeks, i feel as if something is not right.

my motor is a b18c5 in a obd2 chassis.

so i have been driving gsr and ls for a while now and knows the difference in power etc etc etc. I never tried driving type r but my cuzzin have the same swap but in a gsr shell and his seems way way stronger sitting in the car. So I expected a slightly difference in pull since the motor is sitting in a lighter shell (civic hatch). But for some reason the car when reving it doesnt pull as hard as a gsr not even close to my cuzzin Type r. I mean i can hear the car all loud etc etc etc, but it seems like the car isnt moving at all( it moves but seem weak)? i test drive my two brother car both gsr a 96 and 95, and my motor feels more weaker then theirs. So again i am stuck and need help once again.

My motor has no CEL, the ecu is a type r immob removed, using stock dx shifter( dont know if this makes the difference).

I am thinking of taking the car to dyno and see if that can be the difference maker?

sfar785

is the clutch slipping?

tthoj

hey, thanks for the quick response, no, sadly my clutch is not slipping....

anymore solution?

thumper64

timing being off, clogged fuel injectors?

tthoj

timing was done after swap, maybe but havent tried new fuel injectors?

thumper64- can the fuel injectors cause a major loss in power?

sfar785

yes

tthoj

sfar785, check the fuel injecter, pretty much not it too. anymore solution?

CBR

Check engine compression, a healthy b18c5 should get 190PSI on all 4 cylinders. If any lower, you got engine issues.

And again, check your timing belt for proper timing. Could be off a tooth & it's not going to throw a check engine light (MIL), but it'll run weak like you described.

ekcoupeh22

iTrader: (2)

do you have a cat on the car? if could be clogged? fouled out spark plugs? or maybe the motor is shot

Matt93eg

X2

tthoj

cbr,ek, and matt, i will double check this weekend once i get off work.

thanks for the advice.

tthoj

CBR- well i did a compression test on the motor, turns out to be really low 140 psi across,( so disspointted) thinking of rebuilding it but before i do anymore stuff to it, what can be the problem for the low compression?

my cousin who is a mechinic have worked on many car. so he will rebuild my head for me, and all he said was that i need some new piston rings, and head gasket, etc, etc, after removing and replacing....

any other idea will be helpful,

oh on a side note, the motor is not making any weird noise sounds totally healthy, motor is not knocking or whatever....

lmk know guys...thanks in advance

98civdx

your rings are bad... rings wont cause any knocking, are you burning any oil?
that could another sign of bad rings.

tthoj

98civdx-no the motor is not burning any oils,

my cousin is saying the samething about the rings being bad too.

Im not up to par yet with all the internal rebuilding and etc, but if the ring is bad is that major issue?

Nevertheless, what are you guys suggestion on some upgrades internal-wise while Im at it. basically i been looking at some ebay engine rebuilding kit dont know if those are good or not so give me your guys suggestion. I want this motor to stay N/A daily driving with some time at the track.

fungus mungus

Rings can be redone as part of a rebuild, so no, not a huge deal if you're going to pull the motor and rebuild it. Cracked block? That's a problem. Hopefully you don't have that. Sounds like a pretty high-mileage motor to have such low compression. BTW, I think most VTEC engines burn some oil no matter what...just the nature of the beast.

For upgrades, maybe try some stage 1 or 2 cams while you've got the thing apart. Higher compression pistons would be nice too, but if you're in an "enhanced" smog area, you may fail smog with them (high NOX). But if you have a hookup, go for it.
fm

98civdx

^^ weird, my friends b16 doesnt burn a drop, neither of my other friends have problems with there b18c,h22 or anything.

normally for a honda 140 means rebuild time.. i really would not use any ebay part inside my engine, its too much risk... acl,king,oem bearings and oem rings is what id go with. remember the cylnders must be honed with new rings.
this would also be a good time to go threw and replace things in the head, valves,seals, cams,timing belt, oil/water pump.

tthoj

fungus- what are good brand cams to go with in your opinion i read many threads and a lot of mix review. The stages, what is best 1 or 2 and why?

higher compression piston which are better? and what am i looking at for hp gain..i know n/a dont really gain a whole lot.

98civdx-pretty much everything going to be replace, so yea timing belt etc. thanks for the reminder.

fungus mungus

Skunk2 tuner (and Pro) cams are proven cams for NA builds. Tuner Stage 1 will get you a modest HP increase and still keep you CARB legal. Tuner Stage 2...better gains, but you may not pass smog. I won't know myself if I'll pass for another 2 years.

If you go with Stage 2, you'll need to upgrade your head to dual-springs or you'll damage the valve train.

I'm not sure which pistons would yield higher compression than you already have...you have an ITR motor so... I'll leave that for someone else to answer.

NOOdS

tthoj - how much will your cousin charge for a rebuild? parts and labor price? and labor alone price?

im burning oil and think its my rings going bad too. havent done compression test yet. but i also want to rebuild and upgrade.

tthoj

fungus thanks will i do some more research too also.

noods-my cousin doesnt charge me, he a real cool guy, I just give him what i think is worth i know i probably have to give him something but forsure labor alone wont even come close to 1000 plus for me. As for parts i have to get it myself. he said if i buy just the psiton ring alone(which what i need), parts for me without upgrades etc he said my max i will have to spend on parts is about 500.

on the other hand, he said that for cousin being cousins it hard to quote, but he said that if it was somebody esle he will have a quote for them, pretty sure it shouldnt exceed what other shops offers. He has his little own busniess card too, and if he have to come work at your house he doesnt mind, he will bring his tools etc to work on your car.

hope that answer your question.

tthoj

also he is located in sac too, i live and go to school in sac....