z06eateR

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ok. This is really wierd and i dont know what is causing it. I have a 99 civic si. And if the car sits over night...or even for a few hours...i can put the key in and it starts right up. BUT, if i drive the car around...then say, stop for gas or to get food, when i get back in the car and try to start it...it doesn't start! it doesnt even crank! the only thing it does, is i can hear the fuel pump kick on and the fuel rail fill up. so i have to push start the car if i dont want to have to wait hours for it to start again!

anyone please give your advice.

and i dont think its a bad starter bc even a bad starter will still try to crank. bad ignitor will still try to crank... it does not crank at all!

btw, the car has msd 6al ignition w/ blaster 2 external coil, tuned on hondata s200...

someone help...i really am stumped on this one....

Perfectionist

Ummm, no it won't. Either the starter motor is bad and won't turn, or the starter solenoid isn't switching voltage to the starter motor, or the starter solenoid isn't getting voltage from the ignition switch in the start position, or somewhere is a broken ground point that is intermittent, or even a loose clamp on one or both of the battery cables.

But heat seems to trigger the problem, so I'd guess the solenoid is the problem.

z06eateR

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ok...so u think it is the starter solenoid??? is that on the actual starter? and im pretty sure a bad starter will still try to crank...but either way, im willing to try anything to fix this problem...

so where is the solenoid located if u dont mind?

z06eateR

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any other ideas from anyone?

taterbug

I bet it's the starter going bad. Next time it won't crank, tap on the starter with a hammer or whatever's handy. I had a Hatch do the same thing,..bad starter.

z06eateR

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yea...i tried bangin on it with a open ended 17mm wrench...but nothing! fck...alright i'll try swapping the starter...i got another one layin around

taterbug

Before you do that, jump it at the starter and see what it does.

z06eateR

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jump the car from the starter???? what do u mean exactly?

z06eateR

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can u explain what you mean exactly??? im a little confused. thnx

taterbug

Lol.... NM, Check to see if you have power going to the starter while someone works the ignition switch.

z06eateR

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i know it has power....the car starts. just not when i have been driving it...then i stop ..turn the car off....then try to start it again. like i said...lets say i drive it for a hour...then stop to get gas...or eat lunch...then go to start it...it wont start, wont crank...nothing!.....

tdbhonda

i had an ef hatch with a b16, and my friend has an eg hatch with a b16 that did the same ****

i never fixed mine because i didn't know what it was
but with time i learned that it was one of the relays my friend went on to fix his
i want to say it was the fuel relay?? check into that

NEVERMIND

i didn't read the whole thingggg ours just cranked and cranked and cranked and cranked... sorry yours dont crank at all

jagass

Whoa...That sucks...Better call a mechanic to check it properly...

taterbug

Did you swap the starter?

Nascarhatch

dude i work at the Zone and we get that crap all the time dude most of the time its the starter they bring it in we test it some times it will pass but most the time it will not pass at all

z06eateR

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right on. thnx everyone. haven't swapped the starter yet. going to do it tomorrow morning. hopefully it works! i just dont understand why it will work....and then after i've been driving, and everything is hot (im assuming this is the problem) it wont start... the only time it does not start is when the car has been driven, then turned off, sit for a few min, and then it wont start...so....idk..hopefully its the starter.

R666_EK

More than likely just the starter. No crank but just one click? That's what my y7 did. Replaced the starter and worked just fine. Now My c1 is doing that. Sometimes it will crank other times I have to turn the key on off on off on off till it will finally crank over. Once it cranks everything is fine right? Either way its something in the charging/starting system. Shouldn't have anything to worry about. As said before just go to autozone and they'll check that **** out for you to be sure.

jusbout

I had that same problem with my honda however, even on hot days my car wouldn't start. Had to get the garden hose to cool my honda down before it would start. So before you go getting your hands dirty, replacing parts that probably don't need replaced. Take a look at this web site and read this article on troubleshooting your honda.

http://autorepair.about.com/od/engin..._hot_start.htm

If this is not your situation at least you will be a bit more knowledgeable on honda.

z06eateR

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OK THNX GUYS. yea, when it does the "no starting after driving" thing...it doesnt even click once...like i said, the fuel pump kicks on..and thats it. either way...i'll check the starter

z06eateR

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and thnx jusbout...thats a great read! i totally forgot to check the main relay! thnx!

taterbug

If the fuel pump kicks on when you turn the key on, it's not gonna be the main relay.

z06eateR

iTrader: (2)

yea...thats what i was thinking...but...anything is possible with hondas...i'll check it anyway..only takes 2 seconds to check right?

Former User

Sounds like an intermittently bad starter solenoid. You could verify by wiring the solenoid directly to the positive battery terminal when the engine won't crank. If the engine still won't crank and the solenoid doesn't click when the solenoid is directly wired to the battery, then the solenoid is surely bad.

The main relay has nothing to do with the starter and is not causing your problem.

z06eateR

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hhmmm...ok. so the solenoid is the part where the wire with the "female" connector goes onto the "male" pin coming out of the starter?? is that correct? so just run a wire from that to the pos battery terminal?

Perfectionist

Don't bother with the main relay. It has absolutely nothing to do with a no-crank condition. BTW, I had a GM some years ago that would not crank after long trips. It was the solenoid. (It's job is to connect the high current lead from the battery to the starter motor with a low current input signal from the ignition switch.)