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Old 07-28-2006, 08:38 AM
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Default Help.. car sometimes doesn't start in hot weather..

i need some help....
sometimes i cannot start my car in hot weather.. my car turns but doesn't start. whenever this happens, the check engine light turns on.. but when i check for the cel, there's no codes what so ever(cel light just stays on).. 10-15 mins later, i'll be able to start the car.. when the weather is cooler, i have no problem starting the car up at all.. could this mean my main relay is bad?? what else could it be?

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Old 07-28-2006, 08:44 AM
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Sounds like a symptom of a bad main relay
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When its hot out and the car wont start, turn the igntion on and listen for the fuel pump to prime. If it doesnt, they most likely its the mait relay.
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Thanks for the quick responses.. i'll change the main relay this weekend and see if it happens again..
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Main Relay is highly probable.
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My gf's car won't start either in hot weather. I have to get a Main Relay for her car. =\

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Don't waste your money on a new fuel relay. Take the existing one out of the car. Remove the plastic shield around it and you'll see the circuit board. Now with a soldering iron just heat and melt each solder joint on the back of the board. Maybe add some new solder in some places. This will eliminate all of the bad connections on the board and your existing one is as good as new. Believe me this works! If it doesn't work after this, then you definitely need a new main relay. Don't waste your money on a new one just because there's a poor connection that's easily fixed.
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Default Re: Help.. car sometimes doesn't start in hot weather.. (imoua)

Read this:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1320931

Taken from my topic:

Originally Posted by Me y0!
Summers in full swing, and I see more and more "My car spins over, but won't start" topics here, and I expect that since summertime brings out the worst in electrical components for our Civics.
So you get in your car, try and start it, but it only spins over?

First of all these steps only apply for a car that has enough battery juice to power up the starter enough to spin the car over normally. If you've tried starting the car so many times that your battery is weak, find a jump box or cables and go from there.

The most common problem is the main fuel pump relay, and you do not have to do much to diagnose it.

1. Turn the key into the "on" position and watch for the check engine light to go out just as the third key chime beep beeps. As the light goes out you should hear a faint "clink" noise coming from under the dash on the driver's side (passenger side for EK Civics), near the hood release lever. If you hear no "clink" then you need a main relay. They cost maybe $60.00 new at Honda, and they are a snap to replace. If you're a cheap bastard and cannot afford a new one, it can be repaired with a soldering iron and some knowledge, but i'd just buy a new one.

So you hear the "clink" noise, but still no starting, eh?

Well now it's time to dig a bit deeper. you need to figure out if you're not getting spark or fuel. 99% of spinning over, but not starting problems are from either no fuel or fire. the other 1% is no compression, and that just isn't common.

1. Checking for spark.

Grab up a long screwdriver and pull one plug wire out of the cylinder. Stick the tip of the screw driver into the plug wire end far enough to make contact with the metal tab in the wire to the tip of the screw driver. Tilt the handle of the screwdriver so that you hold the shaft of the screwdriver near any metal surface - i use one of the valvecover hold down nuts. Have a friend (if you have any) spin the car over. If you see sparks between the shaft of the screwdriver and the other metal surface, then you have spark. If not, then you have a problem getting spark then.

2. If you have no spark then there are a few different parts that can cause this. *Usually* it is the ignition coil, loctaed inside your distributor. It is a little box with a spring sticking out of it with a goldish case around it, and it's held in with two phillps screws once you get your car and rotor out of the way. I don't know of any real way of checking one out of the car other than replacing it with a known good one. A lot of times the coil will have burn/flash marks on it if it's bad, or going bad. a new coil from honda is about $90.00.

3. The other common (but not as common as the coil) is the ignitor module. It is a flat plastic-looking piece inisde the distributor with a few tabs with wires hooked up to it. I believe it's also held in with a few screws. again I know of no visual cues that an ignitor is bad, so if you can get another, try it out. a new ignitor from Honda is also about $90.00.

4. Another blanket way to fix the no spark would be a good new distributor from http://www.distributorking.com. this way you get a new base with sensors, coil, ignitor, cap, rotor, etc. all for a little more than the cost of an ignitor or coil.

The last item that can cause spinning over, but not starting is the ignition switch pigtail assembly. When these go bad they typically allow the car to crank for a second, but then it shuts right back off. I diagnose these by simply cranking the car and backing off the key just enough to disengage the starter, but still be in the full "crank" position. If you let go of the key and it springs back into the normal position and the engine dies, you need a new ignition switch pigtail/electrical portion. do not confuse this with the entire ignition assembly with lock cylinder - it's just the electrical harness. These are pretty cheap, but a PITA to install.

Hope this helps some of you guys.

Now what if the main relay works, and you have spark, but still no starting?

Time to check for fuel, and it's easy.

Grab a 12mm wrench and loosen the banjo nut on top of your fuel filter, and have someone turn the key into the "on" position - he may not even have to try and spin the car over. If you get no fuel spray, then you are not getting fuel, and if the main relay is in fact working, it's time for a fuel pump.

The fuel pump is located in an access panel under your rear seat cushion. I personally would try and find a used Integra fuel pump or even a new one if you can afford the pricetag - aftermarket ones suck ***. I say Integra because it's an upgrade, especially if you can get a GS-R one.
There's way more info in that topic...
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Default Re: Help.. car sometimes doesn't start in hot weather.. (B18C5-EH2)

Here's how to fix the main relay:
http://techauto.tripod.com/mainrelay.htm
Good luck.
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Default Re: Help.. car sometimes doesn't start in hot weather.. (BlueIntegraBoy)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueIntegraBoy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sounds like a symptom of a bad main relay</TD></TR></TABLE>
Old 07-28-2006, 12:33 PM
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Default Re: Help.. car sometimes doesn't start in hot weather.. (dpkelly)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dpkelly &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Here's how to fix the main relay:
http://techauto.tripod.com/mainrelay.htm
Good luck. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Just bookmarked that page. Thanks
Old 07-28-2006, 08:14 PM
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Thanks for all the info guys...
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