Weifast

I have a 2000 b18c1 in a 2000 Civic Hatch. Trying to BAR it. I tried it last year to no success due to a picky smog tester. Anyway, I need someone with a 2000 or 2001 GSR 3-door to check their configuration at a-pipe to the catalytic converter for me. Here's the reason...

When I did my swap last year and tried to BAR it, I had it the way I thought was stock for a 2000 GSR. My primary O2 sensor was on the down pipe (a-pipe, or pipe right before the actual CAT) and my CAT had only a single port for the secondary O2 sensor. The cat was aftermarket from magnaflow, but they said it was a 2000 GSR and was legal and had a CARB EO number as well.

However, when I went to go BAR it, Bar said that the set up was wrong and that I had to have 2 ports on the CAT itself. One for a primary and a secondary o2 sensor, and that my a-pipe shouldn't have a port for the primary. He said I had the wrong A-pipe from a different integra. I thought that was weird at the time because my set up was stock and I even verified it with diagrams from ACURA, but I wasn't exactly too sure to make an argument with him, because he had his own diagram, which I thought was wrong at that point in time, but didn't have hard evidence with me at the time.

Long story short, I'm not sure exactly what the stock set up is on an actual 2000 GSR. If someone can verify for me where their primary o2 is and whether their stock cat has one or two o2 sensors on the cat, it be great.

FYI, I finally just bought a brand new CAT from Acura today for a 2000 GSR for my 4th attempt at BAR, and it only has one port for a secondary o2 sensor and that's it. Therefore, either BAR is wrong, or Acura is wrong lol. I just need to be sure. Thanks everyone.

zerovandez

iTrader: (1)

Why not take it to another BAR station?

delsolo95

what station are you taking it to? so when i go bar my geezer sol i will know to not go to that one.

Weifast

the one in goldenwest college in huntington beach. Both the guys that work there are big time douche bags. Anyone have a 00-01 gsr that can confirm for me or at least know the stock set up?

Weifast

Fullerton one I heard is just as bad. I heard the Diamond Bar BAR station is decent.

delsolo95

on the acura site the cat has two O2 and none on the a pipe.

# 25 and # 26

delsolo95

also who do you call or what is the procedure to set up an appointment with bar? im ready just need to fix that damn knock sensor.

delsolo95

buy a o2 bung and weld it to the cat to have the secondary. then wire it up. another question arnt you using the 00-01 gsr ecu? if you are wouldnt the cel come on for secondary o2?

delsolo95

come to look at it if you have a #9 in the diagram that would be an ls or rs etc cuz its not available if you try to purchase that on the site. the # 7 would be a gsr cuz you can click the item and purchase know what i mean? heres the site again VV
http://acuraautomotiveparts.org/acur...s=&view=normal

Weifast

I kno what you mean, but Acura told me that my 2000 GSR CAT is only suppose to have 1 o2 port for the secondary, adn the primary is suppose to on the downpipe. He told me that the 2 port 02 sensors on the CAT are for 94-99 GSRs, and that 00-01 has similar downpipes to LS/RS 94-01. Look at thsi diagram. Sucky thing is that BAR won't believe me. ECU is fine. I got everything to work on it with no CEL. Number for BAR and appointment is 1800-622-7733.

The downpipe I have now (which came off a 2000 GSR) has a port for the primary o2, and the brand new GSR CAT i just bought from Acura only has one port for the secondary, and ACURA seems pretty sure I'mright. Issue is, how do I tell BAR that their idiots and that they are thinking about 94-99 GSRs -_-

Weifast

Anyone who can still help verify this information and has a 2000 or 2001 GSR, I would gladly appreciate it. I'm getting pretty desperate.

Weifast

Anyone who has part numbers to confirm this deal with the A pipe, I would also apprecaite it, because BAR is being difficult.

Part number for 2000 GSR cat is 18160-P72-A30. This is the number on the box on my CAT and it's confirmed online with a diagram, which only has 1 port for the secondary 02 on the CAR. I just need the correct part number and illustration for the A-pipe.

EDIT: Found it for 2000 GSR A-pipe/downpipe. 18210ST7A64.

I'd still like someone to confirm for me who has a 00 or 01 GSR their set up. Thanks.

Weifast

Guy from BAR called me back to help with me with this issue and he is a big SOB. Basically said, NO, this is what our schematic is showing and you need the CAT with the 2 provisions, cuz that is what my schematic is showing me. Then he said if I'm saying he's wrong, I have to have proof from ACURA that the part I have is indeed and meant for my car and that the double o2 provision for the CAT is the wrong one. Yeah...I'm sure Acura is gonna want to help me -_-.

Stupid BAR. This is a lose lose situation for me. I'm close to just swapping back to stock or selling the car. I'm so tired of this.

delsolo95

any update bro?

94EG8

Go to Acura, ask them for a printout of the parts diagram along with the part number for your cat, take this to the BAR station along with your receipt (which should have the part number on it) for the new cat you bought.

rhymeshark916

Take your car to another BAR station and see what they say. That station probably aren't that experience or is just being a douche bag. BTW, how much did the catalytic converter cost you? I have a magnaflow and failed miserably but I have itr cams/pistons.

Weifast

UPDATE: Here's the update. Went to Acura, they have the same diagram, CAT with 2 ports for the o2, but the parts guy was confused, as well as the tech, because they said the diagram is showing the wrong part, thats why BAR thought the CAT I had was the incorrect one. Acura suggested that I contact the manufacturer directly and ask for a letter -__________________-. Bar said they don't care if I have a receipt or the original box because the CAT itself doesn't have anything stamped on it, so he said I could ahve switched it out to something else...DOUCHE BAG.

ANYWAY, long story short, I kind of said screwed it and decided to build a full on track monster and forget about this BAR business. It's time vs. reward, and at this moment, having to contact the manufacturer and then send BAR the letter as well as an updated diagram, which my fried who was the tech at Acura as well as parts guy at ACURA said good luck, because if they didn't update the internal dealership system, it means they don't have a diagram handy at the manufacturer to send to me immediately, which means I would have to wait for them to handle my request. ALl of this is taking too long, plus the guy at BAR said that even after I send them the updated diagram, I would sitll have to wait 1+ months for them to do their own investigation to make sure I'm not making stuff up. I've came to the conclusion that BAR can go screw themselves lol. I'll have more fun building a track monster than having a BAR legal hatch, which I still have to becareful with since i still don't want to atrract attnetion from the cops. I have a daily that I drive anyway besides the hatch, I'll just use the hatch to build my dream track car now .

94EG8

If BAR is using those diagrams to determine what's legal and what isn't they're nuts, they're often recycled and somewhat generic diagrams.

Weifast

No, they use manufacturer diagram as well as all-data, plus they use what CARB uses, and unfortunately, all three sources do not have the updated set up for the 2000-2001 GSR set up in terms of diagrams only. The part numbers are updated though, however, no parts numbers are stamped on the a-pipe nor the OEM cat, so unless you want to go through months of paperwork, it's not really worth the time.

rhymeshark916

Take this bitch to another BAR station. I know someone who BAR his 00 hatch with a GSR fine. You can still BAR it and make it a track car. BTW, how much was the OEM cat.?