99CIVICEXB18

I have LS motor in my 99 civic (LS-B18B1) and I'm trying to gain more horsepower by doing a head swap I'm trying to gain somewhere around 50-100hp
so would one of these heads help me reach that goal or do I need think about getting turbo.

Dasfinc

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99CIVICEXB18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have LS motor in my 99 civic (LS-B18B1) and I'm trying to gain more horsepower by doing a head swap I'm trying to gain somewhere around 50-100hp
so would one of these heads help me reach that goal or do I need think about getting turbo.

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I'm in the middle of doing a B18B1 swap into my 92 EG, and honestly after researching it, LSVtec looks like it'd be a huge bitch and you can get big gains out of an LS with turbo easily.

99CIVICEXB18

so what do I need to do to make my ls vtec because I was told that to I have a good swap with the ls since I wanted to turbo it but I thought it would be cheaper to switch the head to get the hp gain im looking for which is about 50-100hp so how can I make the ls vtec because mine is non vtec?

instrument

if you're not going to get any headwork done to it then get they type r

if you plan on building it get a gsr, no point in buying a type R head just to rip out all the parts you paid extra for.

50-100 hp=turbo

slambedcivic

definatly boost it if youre looking for 50-100hp.

99CIVICEXB18

So changing the head to the type r would not get me somewhere around 50hp gain?
So which do you think would be the cheapest to reach my goal of around 50hp gain
getting the type r head or going turbo?

99CIVICEXB18

I forgot to add on my last post that I seen this item on ebay and I was thinkin about buying it do you think this head would be better than me getting the type r head
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...7.m32

let me know what you guys think!

Dasfinc

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99CIVICEXB18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I forgot to add on my last post that I seen this item on ebay and I was thinkin about buying it do you think this head would be better than me getting the type r head
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...7.m32

let me know what you guys think!</TD></TR></TABLE>

$1400, expletive No.

$1000 a turbo and you can get a solid 100hp gain, That head doesn't even have a camshaft or half its hardware, You will buy pretty much ANOTHER full head just to FINISH that one.

99CIVICEXB18

wow thanks for that the guy when I call him today said it had everything I needed with it just bolt it on and do you know where I can find a turbo charger for around that price from?

Thanks a lot!

miguel329

piece everything together you'll save money....my cousin just got a xspower turbo kit from their site for $590 ship... it seems to holding up so far

Dasfinc

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99CIVICEXB18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow thanks for that the guy when I call him today said it had everything I needed with it just bolt it on and do you know where I can find a turbo charger for around that price from?

Thanks a lot!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea, that auction looks like just a bare head with valves/springs/retainers, No cams, nothing to hold the cams DOWN with, and no hardware to hold the cams down or mount the head, OR valve cover.....

GSR Cams stock is like $100, The rest of the hardware probably another $100, Headbolts/studs $100, Valve cover for a GSR $50-60... Whoops, theres ANOTHER $350 onto the price tag and thats with just STOCK cams, I hate Ebay except for choice things.

99CIVICEXB18

What do you guys think about this is this a good deal?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...60124



Modified by 99CIVICEXB18 at 10:07 AM 2/23/2008

99CIVICEXB18

So what did you guys think about it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...60124


GOOD DEAL OR BAD DEAL

Targa250R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99CIVICEXB18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So changing the head to the type r would not get me somewhere around 50hp gain?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not necessarily.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So which do you think would be the cheapest to reach my goal of around 50hp gain
getting the type r head or going turbo?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nitrous oxide.

Why are you so intent on "an additional 50 to 100 horsepower"? What is the significance of it? It sounds like you have no real goals at this point. What are you trying to do with the car? You really need to think it over and ask yourself what the purpose is before you go blowing a lot of money that you'll never get back.

99CIVICEXB18

My goal is give my car better acceleration I was trying the head swaps because a lot of guys on the bigboosting.com site told me that would help me out by changing my ls head to a gsr or type r head.

Really I'm just trying to find away to make my car faster with bolt on items.
Thats why I first looked at the head swap!

Thanks for the help though


Modified by 99CIVICEXB18 at 12:04 PM 2/23/2008

mosesgaribay

type r head cause it cause bigger internals. and ctr cam shafts your v-tec will scream just do the ls v tec right change brand new oil pump water pump gsr timing belt and head gasket with the ls vtec sandwich kit.

smileycvc

Wow there is so much bullshit on this thread its stupid. First off STOP shopping for parts on ebay.

Look for a head on this site in the classified section or maybe at a local shop. You can use either the GSR, B16, or Type R head. If you plan on doing any headwork in the future then there is no point in buying the type r head and wasting money. Personaly I would go with the B16 head.

Once you choose a head you will need to pick up a vtec conversion kit. You can get a good one from golden eagle. It includes the headgasket, sandwich plate, dowel pins, and oil lines. Its also a good idea to replace the water pump, oil pump, timing belt, and tensioner if it hasnt been recently. Judging by your previous post I would not recomend you install any of these.

Now with a tune your still not going to see a 50 whp increase. However for the price you spend on a vtec conversion you would probably be able to piece together a garbage tubro kit that will fall apart or eventually blow your motor. Done right the vtec conversion will not add any more serious stress to your motor or decrease the reliability.

Targa250R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smileycvc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Done right the vtec conversion will not add any more serious stress to your motor or decrease the reliability.</TD></TR></TABLE>
"Done right" is not what you've described.

Revving a stock B18B1 bottom end to 8000+ RPM constantly will result in stretched rod bolts and spun rod bearings within 20,000 miles. You can't build a "reliable" LS-VTEC without upgrading the rod bolts.

smileycvc

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"Done right" is not what you've described.

Revving a stock B18B1 bottom end to 8000+ RPM constantly will result in stretched rod bolts and spun rod bearings within 20,000 miles. You can't build a "reliable" LS-VTEC without upgrading the rod bolts.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I never said anything about increasing the redline did I? Just because you add a Vtec head doesnt mean you automatically need to rev your motor higher.

Targa250R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smileycvc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I never said anything about increasing the redline did I? Just because you add a Vtec head doesnt mean you automatically need to rev your motor higher.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you only plan on revving it to 6800 RPM, then putting a VTEC head on a B18A/B bottom end is utterly pointless.

99CIVICEXB18

So is trying to convert to the lsvtec bad for my car then?

Oh yeah with me buying the gsr head what stage cams should I put in it?

slvrlude

this is a terrible post......just read what smileycvc said and shut it.