Is it hard to obtain 300hp mark w/ all motor on B16?
10-26-2007, 10:21 AM
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Is it hard to obtain 300hp mark w/ all motor on B16?
I know its easier to break the 300hp mark with turbo and such. But i havent heard much about B16 being pushed to 300hp with all motor. What type of upgrades can one do to achieving such goals? I know tuning will come into play. The reason why i am asking this is because i got a B16a2 for a good price and I was thinking all motor. Also I have to keep in mind that I will be driving this car as a daily driver in California. So Smog will also be an issue. If I was to change the pistons to a higher compression pistons would that affect smog issues?
10-26-2007, 10:33 AM
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Re: Is it hard to obtain 300hp mark w/ all motor on B16? (hmtcrxsir)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hmtcrxsir »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know its easier to break the 300hp mark with turbo and such. But i havent heard much about B16 being pushed to 300hp with all motor. What type of upgrades can one do to achieving such goals? I know tuning will come into play. The reason why i am asking this is because i got a B16a2 for a good price and I was thinking all motor. Also I have to keep in mind that I will be driving this car as a daily driver in California. So Smog will also be an issue. If I was to change the pistons to a higher compression pistons would that affect smog issues?
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You want a smog legal 300hp B16A?!!
300/1.6 = 187.5 HP/Liter.
It's never ever going to happen. The only way to get it to that power level NA would be a TOTAL race motor. At that point it wont be reliable or driveable anywhere but the drag strip...and....well is this a joke? Have I been had?
If not, then for a street B16A, look to make around 160-170whp max. Even at that power level, it definitely wont be smog legal.
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You want a smog legal 300hp B16A?!!
300/1.6 = 187.5 HP/Liter.
It's never ever going to happen. The only way to get it to that power level NA would be a TOTAL race motor. At that point it wont be reliable or driveable anywhere but the drag strip...and....well is this a joke? Have I been had?
If not, then for a street B16A, look to make around 160-170whp max. Even at that power level, it definitely wont be smog legal.
10-26-2007, 10:34 AM
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It's not hard. It's impossible.
Guys with massively built 2.0 liters pushing to the limit are netting less than that. You should be realistically shooting in the 200whp range with an all-motor B16.
With turbo 300hp is no problem.
Guys with massively built 2.0 liters pushing to the limit are netting less than that. You should be realistically shooting in the 200whp range with an all-motor B16.
With turbo 300hp is no problem.
10-26-2007, 10:37 AM
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Re: (klungemonger)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by klungemonger »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's not hard. It's impossible.
Guys with massively built 2.0 liters pushing to the limit are netting less than that. You should be realistically shooting in the 200whp range with an all-motor B16.
With turbo 300hp is no problem.</TD></TR></TABLE>
200whp from a B16A on 91 octane is ....insane as well. Do able...but insane. Again, not smog legal, and a 100% race motor.
Guys with massively built 2.0 liters pushing to the limit are netting less than that. You should be realistically shooting in the 200whp range with an all-motor B16.
With turbo 300hp is no problem.</TD></TR></TABLE>
200whp from a B16A on 91 octane is ....insane as well. Do able...but insane. Again, not smog legal, and a 100% race motor.
10-26-2007, 10:37 AM
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Re: Is it hard to obtain 300hp mark w/ all motor on B16? (B serious)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
300/1.6 = 187.5 HP/Liter</TD></TR></TABLE>
Honda F1 qualifier engine 900hp/1.5liters (quad turbo V6) = 600hp/liter!!!
Probably not too smog-friendly, or street-drivable though!
300/1.6 = 187.5 HP/Liter</TD></TR></TABLE>
Honda F1 qualifier engine 900hp/1.5liters (quad turbo V6) = 600hp/liter!!!
Probably not too smog-friendly, or street-drivable though!
10-26-2007, 10:42 AM
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Re: Is it hard to obtain 300hp mark w/ all motor on B16? (klungemonger)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by klungemonger »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honda F1 qualifier engine 900hp/1.5liters (quad turbo V6) = 600hp/liter!!!
Probably not too smog-friendly, or street-drivable though! </TD></TR></TABLE> he said all motor and yes its hard to hit 300 hp all motor with a b16
Probably not too smog-friendly, or street-drivable though!
</TD></TR></TABLE> he said all motor and yes its hard to hit 300 hp all motor with a b16
10-26-2007, 10:51 AM
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Re: Is it hard to obtain 300hp mark w/ all motor on B16? (allmotorB18eg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by allmotorB18eg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> he said all motor and yes its hard to hit 300 hp all motor with a b16 </TD></TR></TABLE>
I know what he said, I already answered him previously, if you read the other posts. Mention was made about hp/liter I just threw that in as an interesting fact.
I know what he said, I already answered him previously, if you read the other posts. Mention was made about hp/liter I just threw that in as an interesting fact.
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Re: Is it hard to obtain 300hp mark w/ all motor on B16? (T3T495GSR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by T3T495GSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow your guys are going to make him cry. 
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Better us make him cry then the dyno, after several thousand dollars invested on an impossible mission.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Better us make him cry then the dyno, after several thousand dollars invested on an impossible mission.
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Re: Is it hard to obtain 300hp mark w/ all motor on B16? (klungemonger)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by klungemonger »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Better us make him cry then the dyno, after several thousand dollars invested on an impossible mission.</TD></TR></TABLE>
haha true, although I doubt he would get that far.
Better us make him cry then the dyno, after several thousand dollars invested on an impossible mission.</TD></TR></TABLE>
haha true, although I doubt he would get that far.
10-26-2007, 12:19 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The Lobster »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">honda Tuning just commissioned Endyne(sp?) to build a 300 hp at crank b16 i believe and they ended up with 305 or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea that thing was stroked like an inch higher then stock with custom timing belt and such. I still dont know if that article was real or not, i never went to last pages, just saw the first article when i was on a 711 run. But supposily it was with 12.5 pistons and 91 octane. Either way that ****** is not smog legal. You cant even do 200hp and really be smog legal. As soon as you throw tuning into the mix smog LEGAL is thrown out the window.
Yea that thing was stroked like an inch higher then stock with custom timing belt and such. I still dont know if that article was real or not, i never went to last pages, just saw the first article when i was on a 711 run. But supposily it was with 12.5 pistons and 91 octane. Either way that ****** is not smog legal. You cant even do 200hp and really be smog legal. As soon as you throw tuning into the mix smog LEGAL is thrown out the window.
10-26-2007, 01:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Luserkid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> You cant even do 200hp and really be smog legal. As soon as you throw tuning into the mix smog LEGAL is thrown out the window. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Only if you're in Cali...
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does anyone have the link to the build of that b16 mentioned above, would like to read the article. tried searching and brough up nothing under the name Endyne...link would be awesome... 
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It's spelled Endyn, the website is http://www.theoldone.com
216 is believable, but 305? On pump gas and only 12.5 c/r? Doesn't sound right to me. Endyn's website had a picture diary of some 300hp B20/VTEC project they were trying for a long time, I don't think they ever posted the completed project and numbers though, if they ever even finished it. that was a while ago.
216 is believable, but 305? On pump gas and only 12.5 c/r? Doesn't sound right to me. Endyn's website had a picture diary of some 300hp B20/VTEC project they were trying for a long time, I don't think they ever posted the completed project and numbers though, if they ever even finished it. that was a while ago.
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Re: (The Lobster)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The Lobster »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">honda Tuning just commissioned Endyne(sp?) to build a 300 hp at crank b16 i believe and they ended up with 305 or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
remember when the guy said
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hmtcrxsir »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Also I have to keep in mind that I will be driving this car as a daily driver in California. </TD></TR></TABLE>
remember when the guy said
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hmtcrxsir »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Also I have to keep in mind that I will be driving this car as a daily driver in California. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: (hmtcrxsir)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hmtcrxsir »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">make me cry no. learn something. yes. So I guess I'll just aim for Turbo for that 300hp satisfaction. </TD></TR></TABLE>
What exactly are you going to do with 300 front wheel HP? Slicking up would be your only option.
What exactly are you going to do with 300 front wheel HP? Slicking up would be your only option.
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Re: (B serious)
Easy:
Step 1: Go to Endyn.
Step 2: Hand them $15,000 and a b16 block
Step 3: wait for phone call
Step 4: Pick up motor.
Step 5: Install
Done.
Step 1: Go to Endyn.
Step 2: Hand them $15,000 and a b16 block
Step 3: wait for phone call
Step 4: Pick up motor.
Step 5: Install
Done.
10-26-2007, 07:49 PM
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Re: (B serious)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B serious »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What exactly are you going to do with 300 front wheel HP? Slicking up would be your only option. </TD></TR></TABLE>
same thing i would ask you why you have a S2000? power?
What exactly are you going to do with 300 front wheel HP? Slicking up would be your only option. </TD></TR></TABLE>
same thing i would ask you why you have a S2000? power?
10-26-2007, 08:48 PM
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The Endyn project you are all talking about is more than just a B16. They started off with a 84mm Dart tall deck block with a Crower 92mm crank. That's just over 2 liters(2.06). It is a completely custom setup from the combustion chambers on the cylinder head to the rod to stroke ratio(1.62:1). I mean, they ported the head on that thing to pass 300 CFM on the intake and exhaust side. Not to mention, Endyn's signature camshafts, completely custom intake manifold and Hytech header. They pulled off more than 150hp per liter on pump gas but at what cost? I heard someone say $15,000 and that might be a bit of an understatment.
Bottom line OP: If you really need 300 horses for a daily,(lil' too much power for a daily IMHO) just turbo the thing. Otherwise, be prepared to spend your life savings.
Bottom line OP: If you really need 300 horses for a daily,(lil' too much power for a daily IMHO) just turbo the thing. Otherwise, be prepared to spend your life savings.
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Re: (hmtcrxsir)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The Lobster »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">honda Tuning just commissioned Endyne(sp?) to build a 300 hp at crank b16 i believe and they ended up with 305 or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
dart b20 block try again buddy
welded up the ports machined out the housings, same for the head which was theonly b16 anything in that motor every thing else was non oem well the bearings were oem but everything from the pistons to the camsahaft were modified by larry. an ex nascar engine builder
dart b20 block try again buddy
welded up the ports machined out the housings, same for the head which was theonly b16 anything in that motor every thing else was non oem well the bearings were oem but everything from the pistons to the camsahaft were modified by larry. an ex nascar engine builder
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Re: (hmtcrxsir)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hmtcrxsir »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe i should go with something bigger. I think ill just sell the b16</TD></TR></TABLE>
a k24/k20 will do it
-RBC mani
-sk2 cams
-retainers
-pistons
-BDL 70mm tb
-hondata gasket
-homebrew mani or some high end one
-pnp head
-k20 oiling system
-k20a2/z3 head
-z3 timing chain guide
-arp studs
-some time on the rollers with a laptop
-rdx injectors
-walbro pump
really a 300 hp na setup is going to run ya some money
a k24/k20 will do it
-RBC mani
-sk2 cams
-retainers
-pistons
-BDL 70mm tb
-hondata gasket
-homebrew mani or some high end one
-pnp head
-k20 oiling system
-k20a2/z3 head
-z3 timing chain guide
-arp studs
-some time on the rollers with a laptop
-rdx injectors
-walbro pump
really a 300 hp na setup is going to run ya some money