H22 in EK civic?
09-27-2003, 02:10 PM
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H22 in EK civic?
(96-00 civic EX)....
I just had a quick question... Im thinkin in a few years (after some saving) a motor swap is in my civics future and would like to start thinking about which one to go with. Im really interested in the H22 and was wondering if it would go straight into my car without A BUNCH of trouble (didnt say it had to slide right in however that would be wonderful if it bolted right up no problem) I know new motor mounts are needed and things but is it worth the hassle or is it more worth it to go B series?
Also if the H22 did work out, i know this is prolly askin for a bunch, but would i be able to go turbo?
I just had a quick question... Im thinkin in a few years (after some saving) a motor swap is in my civics future and would like to start thinking about which one to go with. Im really interested in the H22 and was wondering if it would go straight into my car without A BUNCH of trouble (didnt say it had to slide right in however that would be wonderful if it bolted right up no problem) I know new motor mounts are needed and things but is it worth the hassle or is it more worth it to go B series?
Also if the H22 did work out, i know this is prolly askin for a bunch, but would i be able to go turbo?
09-27-2003, 02:15 PM
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Re: H22 in EK civic? (D16 madwoman)
yes you can go turbo, to some its worth the trouble. to some its not. i honestly dont like the swap. so i would suggest get a b18c5 if you have the funds.
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09-29-2003, 05:13 AM
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Re: H22 in EK civic? (greenf1)
Thanks tons guys.... yah i had someone else tell me the B18c5 swap would be more worth it so im prolly gonna do a little readin up on what it would take ($ and trouble wise)
Thanks again...
Thanks again...
09-29-2003, 05:22 AM
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Re: H22 in EK civic? (greenf1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by greenf1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its possible but the weight ratio will stink. Handling will suffer</TD></TR></TABLE>
Possiable? You have obviously never encountered a car with a properly done H-22 swap.
As long as you get springs to compensate for the added 195 pounds,, you handeling will be fine.
Modified by infinatenexus at 6:45 AM 9/29/2003
Possiable? You have obviously never encountered a car with a properly done H-22 swap.
As long as you get springs to compensate for the added 195 pounds,, you handeling will be fine.
Modified by infinatenexus at 6:45 AM 9/29/2003
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09-30-2003, 05:49 AM
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So yer sayin as long as I get springs and do it right it shouldnt effect my handling? I did a tiny bit of reading on each (H22 and B18c5) and Im still really interested in the H22 because Ive heard some good stories... but Ive decided if I did go with lude power Id prolly just stay all motor...
BTW... just curious, I can find out myself but it doesnt hurt to ask which would put out more hp....all motor built H22 or turbo B18c5?
BTW... just curious, I can find out myself but it doesnt hurt to ask which would put out more hp....all motor built H22 or turbo B18c5?
09-30-2003, 05:51 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D16 madwoman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So yer sayin as long as I get springs and do it right it shouldnt effect my handling? I did a tiny bit of reading on each (H22 and B18c5) and Im still really interested in the H22 because Ive heard some good stories... but Ive decided if I did go with lude power Id prolly just stay all motor...
BTW... just curious, I can find out myself but it doesnt hurt to ask which would put out more hp....all motor built H22 or turbo B18c5? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Depends on how built the H22 is, and how much boost the C5 is running. Untimately the C5 will win.
BTW... just curious, I can find out myself but it doesnt hurt to ask which would put out more hp....all motor built H22 or turbo B18c5? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Depends on how built the H22 is, and how much boost the C5 is running. Untimately the C5 will win.
10-01-2003, 04:37 AM
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see theres a solution to everything 
the only thing about turbo H22 so ive heard is that they are better for all motor type things because of compression reasons... but i could always get different pistons... anyways.. yah thats cool, now i just have to decide between the two.. thanks fer yals help... 
the only thing about turbo H22 so ive heard is that they are better for all motor type things because of compression reasons... but i could always get different pistons... anyways.. yah thats cool, now i just have to decide between the two.. thanks fer yals help...
10-01-2003, 05:05 AM
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Re: (D16 madwoman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D16 madwoman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">see theres a solution to everything the only thing about turbo H22 so ive heard is that they are better for all motor type things because of compression reasons... but i could always get different pistons... anyways.. yah thats cool, now i just have to decide between the two.. thanks fer yals help... </TD></TR></TABLE>
Actuailly its because of the ring landings being too close to the piston dome on the H series.
the only thing about turbo H22 so ive heard is that they are better for all motor type things because of compression reasons... but i could always get different pistons... anyways.. yah thats cool, now i just have to decide between the two.. thanks fer yals help... </TD></TR></TABLE>Actuailly its because of the ring landings being too close to the piston dome on the H series.
10-01-2003, 05:19 AM
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Re: H22 in EK civic? (greenf1)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by greenf1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its possible but the weight ratio will stink. Handling will suffer</TD></TR></TABLE>
from what Ive read, um no.
from what Ive read, um no.
10-01-2003, 05:21 AM
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10-01-2003, 05:33 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jerseybrandon »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the price difference between the swaps is something to consider also.</TD></TR></TABLE>
actually the cost of getting the H22 swap installed and running properly can cost as much, if not more than a complete c5 swap
actually the cost of getting the H22 swap installed and running properly can cost as much, if not more than a complete c5 swap
10-01-2003, 06:28 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jswpstdoff »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
actually the cost of getting the H22 swap installed and running properly can cost as much, if not more than a complete c5 swap</TD></TR></TABLE>
I spent roughly $5100 for my h22 ek to be properly running enough for me to daily drive it. The big money factors are going to be your mount kit, which axle combo you chose, and obd2>1 jumper harness.
actually the cost of getting the H22 swap installed and running properly can cost as much, if not more than a complete c5 swap</TD></TR></TABLE>
I spent roughly $5100 for my h22 ek to be properly running enough for me to daily drive it. The big money factors are going to be your mount kit, which axle combo you chose, and obd2>1 jumper harness.
10-01-2003, 06:33 AM
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Re: H22 in EK civic? (greenf1)
ERGGGGGGG, i hear this allllllll the time... IT ISNT 100% true. I have a stock civic dx.. COMPLETELY stock suspensoin. Only thing it has is a set of GC's with STOCK civic rates. I have an H22 installed thats bone stock.. I just took the car to an autocross and it handled great.. there was very minimal push to it at all. So dont use that as an excuse not to do the h22 swap... Use the excuse that you have to cut **** up or something... Handling didnt suffer, and an easy 80 bucks (two new front springs) could take care of any other issues you may have... IM personally not changing the suspension on mine.
10-01-2003, 06:57 AM
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Re: H22 in EK civic? (DIY_Racing)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DIY_Racing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ERGGGGGGG, i hear this allllllll the time... IT ISNT 100% true. I have a stock civic dx.. COMPLETELY stock suspensoin. Only thing it has is a set of GC's with STOCK civic rates. I have an H22 installed thats bone stock.. I just took the car to an autocross and it handled great.. there was very minimal push to it at all. So dont use that as an excuse not to do the h22 swap... Use the excuse that you have to cut **** up or something... Handling didnt suffer, and an easy 80 bucks (two new front springs) could take care of any other issues you may have... IM personally not changing the suspension on mine.</TD></TR></TABLE>
THANK YOU. I was about to rip some people a new one.
THANK YOU. I was about to rip some people a new one.
10-01-2003, 07:05 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by junglerunna02 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I spent roughly $5100 for my h22 ek to be properly running enough for me to daily drive it. The big money factors are going to be your mount kit, which axle combo you chose, and obd2>1 jumper harness.</TD></TR></TABLE>
right..................
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by poison »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was about to rip some people a new one.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you're not disputing what I said?? you're only talking about suspension , right??
right..................
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by poison »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was about to rip some people a new one.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you're not disputing what I said?? you're only talking about suspension , right??
10-01-2003, 07:19 AM
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If you spent 5100 to get you swap running you got took. Axles are NOT a big money item. I spent 110 dollars for two new integra axles, i then took the prelude axles that came with the swap and pulled the prelude inner joints and put them on the integra axles. 10 minutes later and your done. Custom axles and 110 bucks.
Mount kit was 255 from hcp engineering...
As for a C5 swap being the same price as an h22 swap, WRONG again... I just want to mention, im talking about an obd 1 h22 swap.
starting price on the complete swap for h22 shipped was 2450
C5 starting price is 3500 and up... PLUS you have to add on top of both swaps the following items.
new cap
rotor
plugs
clutch
water pump
timing belt
so on and so on.... The h22 swap was harder then the c5 swap would be but with the h22 you get a tiny bit more power out of the stock motor, definetly more torque, plus you dont see a whole lot of h22's chillin in an eg...
Anywho.....
Mount kit was 255 from hcp engineering...
As for a C5 swap being the same price as an h22 swap, WRONG again... I just want to mention, im talking about an obd 1 h22 swap.
starting price on the complete swap for h22 shipped was 2450
C5 starting price is 3500 and up... PLUS you have to add on top of both swaps the following items.
new cap
rotor
plugs
clutch
water pump
timing belt
so on and so on.... The h22 swap was harder then the c5 swap would be but with the h22 you get a tiny bit more power out of the stock motor, definetly more torque, plus you dont see a whole lot of h22's chillin in an eg...
Anywho.....
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jswpstdoff »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
actually the cost of getting the H22 swap installed and running properly can cost as much, if not more than a complete c5 swap</TD></TR></TABLE>
You'd have to be buying a sersiously expensive mount kit and some super exotic axles to offset that price difference. Check the prices on osaka jdm motors website.
actually the cost of getting the H22 swap installed and running properly can cost as much, if not more than a complete c5 swap</TD></TR></TABLE>
You'd have to be buying a sersiously expensive mount kit and some super exotic axles to offset that price difference. Check the prices on osaka jdm motors website.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DIY_Racing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you spent 5100 to get you swap running you got took. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I guess thats the way you looked at it, but I didn't cut any corners with my swap. DSS axles, brand new gsr radiator, slim fan, new cat, exhaust work, both helms manuals(for prelude, and civic), AEM ITR CAI, walboro 255 lph fuel pump, etc, and all the misc items that were previously listed.
My h22 shipped to my house in jersey from CA from HMO was $2945 with LSD and headers.
So you may say i got "took" I say I have a strong running swap that I have had zero problems with anything and runs supper strong and not throwing any codes even EGR.
You said you included a new clutch into the price you just stated. I find that hard to believe either aftermarket or OEM and still being able to fall under that price range.
I guess thats the way you looked at it, but I didn't cut any corners with my swap. DSS axles, brand new gsr radiator, slim fan, new cat, exhaust work, both helms manuals(for prelude, and civic), AEM ITR CAI, walboro 255 lph fuel pump, etc, and all the misc items that were previously listed.
My h22 shipped to my house in jersey from CA from HMO was $2945 with LSD and headers.
So you may say i got "took" I say I have a strong running swap that I have had zero problems with anything and runs supper strong and not throwing any codes even EGR.
You said you included a new clutch into the price you just stated. I find that hard to believe either aftermarket or OEM and still being able to fall under that price range.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jswpstdoff »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
you're not disputing what I said?? you're only talking about suspension , right??</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am disputting the suspension BS rumor about handling.
Also, the cost of a full H22 swap comes, doesn't come to the price of a C5 swap, especially not more.
My rundown:
H22A Complete swap from HondaMotorsOnline - $2650 shipped
HASport Mount Kit from HondaMotorsOnline - $550 shipped
Timing Belt for 92-96 USDM Prelude VTEC (2.2L) - $39.99
Water Pump for 92-96 USDM Prelude VTEC (2.2L) - $34.99
Drivetrain:
Driveshaftshop.com Stage 1 axles R&L side $169.99 ea.
Radiator:
C&R Import Racing aluminum radiator with SPAL fan for DOHC motors - $439.95
Alternator Belt Part No. 25-060370 from NAPA Auto parts - $20
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4074.91.
I went above and beyond by purchasing a C&R aluminum radiator, and still doesn't go over the price of a C5 swap.
you're not disputing what I said?? you're only talking about suspension , right??</TD></TR></TABLE>
I am disputting the suspension BS rumor about handling.
Also, the cost of a full H22 swap comes, doesn't come to the price of a C5 swap, especially not more.
My rundown:
H22A Complete swap from HondaMotorsOnline - $2650 shipped
HASport Mount Kit from HondaMotorsOnline - $550 shipped
Timing Belt for 92-96 USDM Prelude VTEC (2.2L) - $39.99
Water Pump for 92-96 USDM Prelude VTEC (2.2L) - $34.99
Drivetrain:
Driveshaftshop.com Stage 1 axles R&L side $169.99 ea.
Radiator:
C&R Import Racing aluminum radiator with SPAL fan for DOHC motors - $439.95
Alternator Belt Part No. 25-060370 from NAPA Auto parts - $20
=
4074.91.
I went above and beyond by purchasing a C&R aluminum radiator, and still doesn't go over the price of a C5 swap.
