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Old 05-04-2017, 06:22 PM
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One more for tonight.

Went ahead and hit the chambers with 280 grit. Laid tape and put the gasket on, then cut out the holes. Looks pretty good. Will be cc'ing soon.

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Getting ready to lap some valves.

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Very nice work so far, I'm looking forward to seeing the results. Also interesting to see the difference of the combustion chamber size vs the b16/itr head that I have. I can see now how it contributes to higher compression, the little "quarter moon" areas behind the intake and exhaust valves are open in mine. (B16)
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Installed the valves after running 1000 grit wet paper over the chambers. I didn't bother polishing them. CC'd the chambers, came out to 48 cc, took quite a bit out (42ish being stock),. Ran numbers and i'll be right at 11:1, which is where I wanted to be in the first place. Trading compression for air flow is probably better anyway.



Going to try and degree the cams I have, both the stock GSR and Pro1's. See if I can use the ATI damper as it has 360° marks on it. Have to figure out how to install the dial gauge on the head first.

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Very nice work so far, I'm looking forward to seeing the results. Also interesting to see the difference of the combustion chamber size vs the b16/itr head that I have. I can see now how it contributes to higher compression, the little "quarter moon" areas behind the intake and exhaust valves are open in mine. (B16)
I'm going in blind to what it's going to do. Hope it helps the engine breath better at higher RPM.
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Copper coated Fel-Pro head gasket.


Head installed and torqued to 80ft/lbs.


DIY piston stop. Made from a compression test kit, Dremel bit and post it note. Works great.


Guess the older ATI dampers had wrong markings, this one is spot on with the factory marks, and CCW markings too.
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Originally Posted by CX-Adam
What are your plans?
Are you lapping the valves yourself? Are you going to do any reshaping or polishing?

There's a DSM YouTube channel I've been watching where the guy redoes is whole head. Pretty interesting stuff. Glyptal coating, casting flaw removal, blending, polishing, channeling, lapping, measuring, etc. the channel is: Jafromobile
Nice!

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wow nice good stuff
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Getting ready to degree the cams.
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Stock cams degree'd

Stock GSR:
Intake +5.5
Exhaust +2.5

Saved for reference.

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Installed the Skunk2 Pro 1 cams and degree'd using the lift method @ 0.040, disregarding centerline all together.

Skunk2 cam card specs
Intake:
Open 30° BTDC
Close 48° ABDC
258° duration
Lift .498"

Exhaust:
Open 55° BBDC
Close 25° ATDC
260° duration
Lift .470"


My final measurements
Intake +2.5
Open 33.5° BTDC
Close 51° ABDC
264.5° duration
Lift .493"

Exhaust -1.5
Open 56.5° BBDC
Close 26° ATDC
262.5° duration
Lift .462"

After running the centerline and lobe separation angle algorithm

Skunk 2 Cam Card
Intake centerline: 98°
Exhaust centerline 105°
LSA: 101.5°

My measurements
Intake CL 98.75°
Exhaust CL 105.25°
LSA 102°


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wow. I used to think I knew a decent amount about cars....good stuff.
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wow. I used to think I knew a decent amount about cars....good stuff.
I'm doing a lot of learning with checking the cams. I already understood the 4 stroke process, but diving this deep is actually really interesting.
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Measured piston to valve clearance this morning.



From what I've seen, 0.040" is about the minimum for intake clearance and I have almost double that.

Exhaust clearance should be 2x measured intake clearance, 0.076" x 2 = 0.152", and my minimum measured exhaust clearance is 0.155".
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Originally Posted by jdblock
Installed the Skunk2 Pro 1 cams and degree'd using the lift method @ 0.040, disregarding centerline all together.

Skunk2 cam card specs
Intake:
Open 30° BTDC
Close 48° ABDC
258° duration
Lift .498"

Exhaust:
Open 55° BBDC
Close 25° ATDC
260° duration
Lift .470"


My final measurements
Intake +2.5
Open 33.5° BTDC
Close 51° ABDC
264.5° duration
Lift .493"

Exhaust -1.5
Open 56.5° BBDC
Close 26° ATDC
262.5° duration
Lift .462"

After running the centerline and lobe separation angle algorithm

Skunk 2 Cam Card
Intake centerline: 98°
Exhaust centerline 105°
LSA: 101.5°

My measurements
Intake CL 98.75°
Exhaust CL 105.25°
LSA 102°

I wish I understood this process...

What is LSA?
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It stands for Lobe Separation Angle. I'm only half awake right now but isn't it the measured angle between lobe centerlines or something like that? I should know this stuff but my Crower 402 cams didn't need to be degreed so I never really got into it.
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Originally Posted by DumpdEJ6
It stands for Lobe Separation Angle. I'm only half awake right now but isn't it the measured angle between lobe centerlines or something like that? I should know this stuff but my Crower 402 cams didn't need to be degreed so I never really got into it.
LSA is the measured Center lines added together, then divided by 2. It's an idea of how much overlap there is.

I measured because I wanted to have a baseline for later.
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Valve cover sneak peak.


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Im going to shave my VC as well. Your build looks great, in the middle of stock piling parts for a build myself. Keep up the inspiration!
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Here's the valve cover after a quick 6 hours of work.



It's an old valve cover that wasn't taken care of. When I got it the cam gear cover was broken, and there was paint missing from (most likely) solvents. There's still a lot of scratches, pitting and some stains I can work on later when I have more time. Also, the raised lettering that I shaved off is still visible. Not sure what's going on there, but with a lot more sanding I think I can get rid of it all.
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Nice photography!
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Originally Posted by eh2_Trav
Im going to shave my VC as well. Your build looks great, in the middle of stock piling parts for a build myself. Keep up the inspiration!
Apreciate it, thank you. I have one more round of parts to finish this engine. Couple bolts for the cam caps, couple cam seals, spark plugs and break-in oil.

Have fun with your build.

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Nice photography!
That last shot was a happy surprise. The valve cover is bright in photos now, I was trying to show the polish. Did a few shots and the valve cover was white. Moved the flashes around and was able to get the cam gear reflextion.
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